Make the humans a good Team. Change the Catcher.

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:25 pm

Really?! Excellent.

Glorian Underhill · Post by **Glorian Underhill** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:31 pm

Joemanji wrote:Really?! Says who?

Well that is the Plan.

Even we know that 0-4 of these Hard-Catchers would been too much. But

0-2 8 3 3 7 Catch, Dodge 90.000

Catchers would put the humans there where they belong in the World of Blood Bowl.
With 8 3 3 7 Catch the Human Cathcer would been a little like the Old Werewolves. Except that they are not Frenzy, Claw monsters to chew the others appart. They would been 8337 Ball Runners wich could survive with a half open Cage. And I would rather buy one of these instead of the 8237 fast squishies.

Cramy · Post by **Cramy** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:16 pm

I think that the human catchers are just fine.

Why can Humans outbash Elves? Access to strength skills on the blitzers and Ogre.

Why can Humans outrun/outpass Orcs and Dwarves? Fast catchers and blitzers.

Keep the human roster as is, please. There is no need to tweek the roster.

Glorian Underhill · Post by **Glorian Underhill** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:29 pm

Cramy wrote:Why can Humans outbash Elves? Access to strength skills on the blitzers and Ogre.

I doubt that.

Wood Elfes and Darkelfes can avoid the fight where they like it and then hit you there with two dice where they want.
Humans don't have that choice. You can't dodge with your lineman to get an assistant. And your blitzer can't also be with guard everywhere.

And if you use there your ST2 Catchers as assistants they will be targeted first and then the line scrumbles just because the opponent has more players on the field. In a direct Bashing my money is always on the Dark or Woodelfes.

stormmaster1 · Post by **stormmaster1** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:41 pm

i've never had a problem bashing elves with humans. you need to get them into a slugfest rather than a fast blitzing game.

Pakulkan · Post by **Pakulkan** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:03 pm

None of the people who anwers this poll said how many leagues have been played with humans...

Me:

Two LBN Leagues (16+ matches each)
Two Valencia master Bowl ( 70, 90 coaches) 6 rounds
Two Barnabowl (70 coaches each) 6 rounds

So, I know what's the problem with humans by myself. Are we talking just about theorics or we have check our sentences on the pitch? It's just intriguing me.

Another thing: it easier play humans in tourneys, first, they are resurrection, and second, you can put Guard on all your blitzers. Leagues usually becomes nightmares when your team starts to lose people and your players are not so good as elves for play 6 over the field and your linemen cannot dodge.

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:12 pm

Under LRB5, mini league with 5 teams, 1 human team, humans won.
And I don't buy the comparison with elfs.
Sure, AG3 sucks (as a friend of mine put it ages ago), but starting elf teams don't have many team rerolls - and when the team rerolls are gone, I'd rather have AG3 and skill rerolls than plain AG4.

Cheers
Martin

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:45 pm

I played Humans 2 seasons and all the leagues I've played in have always had a Human team so I've seen many Human teams played.

I now know how those Dwarf coaches feel. Their team's broken though. LOL!

datalorex · Post by **datalorex** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:58 am

stormmaster1 wrote: An ST3 MA8 dodge player will qiuickly become ST3 Ma8 blodge. That makes a great blitzer in my book. ST3 catchers would completely transform the team. 4 blitzers for bashing and 4 blitzers for mobility, scoring and ball carrier hunting. I just think ST3 catchers would radically change the team too much.

That's why I'm an advocate of giving the catcher AV8. It strengthens the catcher but doesn't make them overpowerful.

Glorian Underhill · Post by **Glorian Underhill** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:37 am

datalorex wrote:
That's why I'm an advocate of giving the catcher AV8. It strengthens the catcher but doesn't make them overpowerful.

Good Idea thought. Doesn't give them a big boost. It just adds a little survivebility to the weakest link.

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:53 am

Actually, AV8 is the only change I could support.
I just don't think they need it.
Cheers
Martin

Falkom · Post by **Falkom** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:21 pm

I like idea of AV8 for human catcher. He will be faster but weaker then bashing counterparts and better armoured but less agile then elflike players.

Glorian Underhill · Post by **Glorian Underhill** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:06 pm

So there seems to be no more additional points to discuss on this matter.

While 66% want to leave the Catcher as it is the biggest part of the Change fraction with 34% in total want a St 3 Catcher.
I was also a voter for this option, but changed in the end to the AV8 variant.
It isn't a big boost, but would gave the human a better survival rate than Gutter runners or Elf Catchers in total.

This is Glorian Underhill, Good fight, good night.

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:19 pm

I'd have no problem with an AV 8 catcher. Not sure it's needed, but it won't kill me. also, makes those Claw guys really feel useful!

Dark Lord (retired) · Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:39 am

For pages for changing humans?

Have we lost our minds?

Talk Fantasy Football

Make the humans a good Team. Change the Catcher.

How should the human Catcher been changed?