Block, Guard & Dodge modifications

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:40 pm

Wrestle is fine IMO. It isn't as good as Block most of the time (and doesn't need to be), but sometimes it is totally perfect.

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:50 pm

Dark Lord wrote:By the way, you are completely right that the campaign rules are the broken rules. Which is why I dislike the attempts to balance them...

I kinda think we are moving in the right direction now to be honest. There are things I would change, for sure. But I think Inducements are basically the right way to go, even if everybody isn't happy with the specific Inducements. Team Value is right. Etc. IMO.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:01 pm

Team value is great and I like it, but I dislike any handicap system that has more potential longterm impact on the opponent than the underdog...but let's not go down that road here.

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:56 am

Joemanji wrote:...I kinda think we are moving in the right direction now to be honest...

I'd second that. Counting TV for skills (not SPP), not counting MNG players, not counting money, and allowing journeymen for overdogs and underdogs is a great idea for TV.

Giving an amount of help that is proportional to the difference in TV is also a good idea.

The specifics may not always be any good, but the start of something is in there.

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:42 am

Exactly. The handicap table was always fundamentally wrong. Random help means the chance of no help (or too much help). For example I once played a final in the MBBL2 80 points down, for which I got a load of rolls that removed opponent's re-rolls. Great, except he didn't suffer a turnover until turn 16, and by then Block and DP had destroyed my team.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:53 am

Joemanji wrote:for which I got a load of rolls that removed opponent's re-rolls. Great, except he didn't suffer a turnover until turn 16,

That's hardly the handicap tables "fault" though - sounds more like great coaching and/or heaps off good luck.
Against me, that would make an easy game for you.

Joemanji wrote:and by then Block and DP had destroyed my team.

hmm, DP. I always wondered why it could never be officially "fixed" under LRB4 and earlier, yet it was quickly changed from LRB5.
But that's a whole other thread.

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:02 am

Darkson wrote:hmm, DP. I always wondered why it could never be officially "fixed" under LRB4 and earlier, yet it was quickly changed from LRB5.
But that's a whole other thread.

Strange isn't it? Especially considering the other (fairly minor) changes that did get through.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:21 pm

It is a conspiracy. Bad thing happened as soon as JJ started to unlock his grip on the rules. Oh how we all long for 4th ed GOLD! OSPA is the answer to our prayers. More turnovers. Uber players still being good but only using one skill per turn effectively makes everyone into a one skill player. Multi-skilled players just have more to choose from.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:18 pm

Snew you aren't saying Blood Bowl is going in circles are you?

Because that's absolutely not at all what's happening.

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:50 am

Don;t be silly! All these ideas are new.

Has anyone ever thought about splitting block?

Oh, and why aren't there Chaos teams for Nurgle, Slaanesh, and Tzeentch?

Oh, and...

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:50 pm

No. I really think OSPA is/was a GREAT idea AND I know rules by comittee is bad.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:15 pm

Eeew. Really? OSPA took away skill combos which, to me, was half the fun.

I just wish people would stop trying to balance Blood Bowl. Blood Bowl isn't supposed to be fair and it isn't supposed to be fun for whiney little cry babies. Now it's infested with them and all they do is whine and cry. Wahhh! My humans are average! Waaaah I can't get 4 casualties against a Dwarf team!!1 Waaaaahhh!!! I can't win with halflings!!! Waaaahhh!!! My rookie team can't beat the Blood Bowl Champions!!!

It seems like since the great balance of the LRB has come about all threads in all sections are about "balance."

Balanced Blood Bowl is boring, clunky and an illusion.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:30 pm

I'm with everything you just said, even the first sentence. I can play straight 3rd ed and have a great time doing it!

I do like OSPA though and it DOES BALANCE things out quite a bit. What I really liked is that it made games faster. It weakened the attack a little bit which cna be far to powerful now. Rolling 2 Block dice favors it by itself. Block and Tackle REALLY favor it. Combos are good BUT.... they are usually ST/attack combos and they kill teams. OSPA will do a lot for giving people the game it sounds like they really want. Even the field. Give defenders the edge. Make games faster and more challenging. WAIT!!! Challenging. Is that what whiners want? I don't really think so. None of the "whiners" as you call them even what what they're whining for. They want someone else to be impressed with them. They want to dominate someone.

I don't think we have so many whiners here as delusional dreamers and as long as they keep sucking on Galak's crack pipe they think they have hope. I think this game is dead.

Digger Goreman · Post by **Digger Goreman** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:19 pm

Came up zilch on a search, but has anyone suggested making block a Strength skill? Keep it away from "generalists"?

Just a thought....

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:31 pm

You that sounds familiar and would be okay with me in theory.

BUt I'm sure the elf, stunty and skaven coaches are about to make your ears bleed with their high pitch wailing.