Assisting a Dodge

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:23 am

Yeah, if it was nigh impossible to run through a man size gap, there would be no running game in American football!

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:01 am

I do quite like the idea - it would just play very differently if every team could relatively easily break into a cage. Solid or layered defence becomes more important so the balance between all the teams would change. Teams like Chaos would do very well from the change.

Post by **voyagers_uk** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:46 am

I like this idea, although this benefit to agility teams would have to be offset by adding more of a threat back to base to base contact.....

Tritex · Post by **Tritex** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:03 am

makes elf teams even better. TBH I think it should counter the effect of opponents in square dodging to as having a friendly to push an oposing player out the way to help the dodging player makes sense.

It would have to be a general rule though as it doesnt fit as a skill!

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:21 pm

Hi all,

>Yeah, if it was nigh impossible to run through a man size gap, there would be no running game in American football!
Sure there would.
Good long runs happen when you're either "lucky" or manage to cut into the open.
Lot's of running in american foorball is into a man-sized gap.... in which case the player advances a little and then ends up flat on his face.
The difference between that and BB is that in BB play proceeds at this point.

Cheers
Martin

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:27 pm

I thought I'd post my opinion, though no one wlse posting in this thread will care as I think assisting on a dodge is a silly idea.
With all this talk of comparing to North American football, people tend to forget one thing, O-linemen (or whoever) BLOCK an opponant to open up a hole for the running back to run through. Assisting on a BLOCK in BB represents someone getting "double teamed", two players blocking an opposition player. I don't see how anyone can "assist" a person to make a dodge better (maybe by pushing them in the back to get them through the hole faster, but I don't think that would really help them dodge better, more likely offer a better chance of falling down).
IMO it's a silly idea and should never make it into the game. Every team can block players out of the way to create holes for other players to dodge through (which AG teams have a bigger advantage at doing, no need to make it even easier for them to dodge, and if you want a cage-breaker, pick up leap as a skill).

You all may now ignore what I said and continue with this silly thread.

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:55 pm

Wow, I think this skill would give much more of an advantage to bashy teams than ag teams. imagine being able to dodge any player on your roster anywhere with a 2+ roll. Well, this allows you to do it!

Furthermore, every team cages (loose or open) to protect ball carriers. The players with guard would not have their assists lost when they caged, so this maneuver would result in down die hits!

When I play my Chaos Dwarves, I would love for a team to put two players in base to base contact with me, take a 3+ dodge and then take a down die hit on my ball carrier. I can't see how this would make the other team better... If these strategues worked, every elf team would have two or three leaping blitzers- and they would be win all their games because of it.

Also, I'd like to point out that this cage is very strong if the ball carrier is simply one space back... which would place the emphasis on maximizing the distance around the line of players instead of forming impenetrable walls inside.

When I cage, I try never have my ball carrier so close to the front of a cage. It's too easy for the other team to knock one of the corners away and put tackle zoines on the ball carrier then.

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:56 pm

Oh, and assisting a dodge is a lame idea, I would say. I mean the actual idea. The game mechanic is interesting though, and should somehow be represented differently so as to be coherent.

Kheldar · Post by **Kheldar** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:11 am

Torg wrote:I thought I'd post my opinion, though no one wlse posting in this thread will care as I think assisting on a dodge is a silly idea.
With all this talk of comparing to North American football, people tend to forget one thing, O-linemen (or whoever) BLOCK an opponant to open up a hole for the running back to run through. Assisting on a BLOCK in BB represents someone getting "double teamed", two players blocking an opposition player. I don't see how anyone can "assist" a person to make a dodge better (maybe by pushing them in the back to get them through the hole faster, but I don't think that would really help them dodge better, more likely offer a better chance of falling down).
IMO it's a silly idea and should never make it into the game. Every team can block players out of the way to create holes for other players to dodge through (which AG teams have a bigger advantage at doing, no need to make it even easier for them to dodge, and if you want a cage-breaker, pick up leap as a skill).

You all may now ignore what I said and continue with this silly thread.

I am of the same oppinion. Assisting a dodge would throw over the complete rules and cause big balance issues. Pls dont do this.

Lycos · Post by **Lycos** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:28 pm

Would you not need to consider the ST of the players involved?
At first I was "what the heck!" but in fairness Joe, I did think over this and after a while (been cooking dinner) I started think that you could have lower ST players pushing away higher ones etc.
That make sense? I guess it could work as long as 2 goblins arent up to 2 black orcs or Sauri and "hey look, we can just push them out of the way to help our mate!"

That doesnt work for me but if they we equal/higher I would consider playtesting it.

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:22 pm

No worries. The fun part of these threads is hearing why something wouldn't work.

In response to the problem of cage-busting, you could apply the rule only if an assist-er hadn't taken his action that turn. Or in place of his action altogether. That more accurately reflects Torg's real football description.