2 Quickies

[shaniepoo]

2 quickies here.

1. Can some1 tell me what happens when a player passing the ball fails the roll (but doesnt roll a 1)?

2. Does the number of assistant coatchs afect the dice roll when argueing with the ref for a player sent off, or is it a D6 roll of 6 no mater how many assistants you have?

[Ithilkir]

1) It scatters three times from target square (page 13 LRB 1.3). Also note however, that it can end up back in the original target or on another player this way. (It IS a completion if someone from your team catches it after all three scatters, though it does count as a turnover)

2) Nope, Assistant coaches only affect the "Brilliant Coaching" Kickoff result (page 18 LRB 1.3)

[Bevan]

1) It scatters three times from target square (page 13 LRB 1.3). Also note however, that it can end up back in the original target or on another player this way. (It IS a completion if someone from your team catches it after all three scatters, though it does count as a turnover)

No! The section in brackets is the wrong way round.

A completion is an accurate pass that is caught by one of your players. An inaccurate pass is never a completion.

An inaccurate pass is not a turnover if it is caught by a member of the passing team.

[SartosaCenturion]

Oh yeah just to clarify, remember that the ball can't be picked up except for a catch attempt in the 3rd square.

[Korhil]

To be slightly more acurate rguarding Question 1:

If the Thrower fails to make the target roll for an accurate pass, but hasnt rolled a 1, then it will be either inaccurate or a fumble.

A modified result of a 1 is also a fumble, so if throwing a LongPass, a 2 will be a fumble, if throwing a LongBomp, a 3 will be a fumble, if in TZ, then the roll may even fumble on anything that isnt a 6!

If the roll is neither accurate, or modified ot a 1, then it will be inaccurate and scatter as such.

---Korhil

[shaniepoo]

So for Q1. I Need a 4 to pass the ball. I roll a 3, the ball scaters 3 squares. It land back in the throwing players quare, he catches the ball. Its 'not' a turnover?

[DoubleSkulls]

So for Q1. I Need a 4 to pass the ball. I roll a 3, the ball scaters 3 squares. It land back in the throwing players quare, he catches the ball. Its 'not' a turnover?

That is right.

A pass is only a turnover if its a fumble or results in a loss of possession.

[jullevi]

So for Q1. I Need a 4 to pass the ball. I roll a 3, the ball scaters 3 squares. It land back in the throwing players quare, he catches the ball. Its 'not' a turnover?

If player from your team catches the ball before it stops, turnover does not take place.

[jullevi]

(It IS a completion if someone from your team catches it after all three scatters, though it does count as a turnover)

The ball cannot be caught before the three scatters.

LRB pg 13: The ball can only be caught in the final square where it ends up - if it scatter through a players square, then the player is not allowed to try and catch the ball.

Also, a turnover does not place if the ball ends up on your own player, (no matter how).

[Starfish]

A modified result of a 1 is also a fumble, so if throwing a LongPass, a 2 will be a fumble, if throwing a LongBomp, a 3 will be a fumble

I'm fairly sure that you are wrong here, even a long bomb will only fumble on a roll of '1' unless there are enemy tackle zones on the player making the pass.

i.e. a passer throwing a long bomb with AG 3 and a single enemy tackle zone on him will complete the pass on a 6 and fumble the pass on a 1 or 2.

[Grumbledook]

The rules clearly say that you fumbl on a 1 or a modified 1, doesn't say anywhere about ignoring the tacklezones to differentiate between inaccurate and fumble, otherwise whats the point in putting tz on the thrower.

[Vitalis]

A clarification is in order:

The original question was answered correctly but not completely.

When the pass is inaccurate, roll for scatter three times.
Then (quote from LRB1.3 p14):

If the football is not caught, or the square where it lands is unoccupied (or is occupied by a prone player) then it will bounce.

ie.
Roll for scatter three times. Then roll for bounce.

[Grumbledook]

You roll for scatter 3 times to see where it lands, if there is then a player there, a catch can be attempted, otherwise it bounces once for landing in an empty square.

[Korhil]

Starfish,

A Long Bomb is fumbled on the roll of a 3 or less reguardless of TZ's...even if you have AG6
likewise, a Long Pass is fumbled on the roll of a 2 or less even with AG6.

The only 2 skills that can change this are Strong Arm & Accurate.

---Korhil

[Starfish]

oop, my mistake, just checked the LRB. Must be a house rule we been playing.

Seems unrealistic to fumble the ball so often still... I don't think we'd play it any other way.