Dark Elves as hard to play?

Ullis · Post by **Ullis** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:59 pm

whitetiger wrote:I scored in the second half on the 7th turn. I lined 3 guys up on the LOS, and put the rest of my team way back in the backfield. He lined up, knocked one of those linemen down, and fouled him. Just out of spite. No other reason. That's the kind of crap I've been dealing with.

I don't know about the particulars of the game, of course. IF you were stalling though, that's a valid tactic.

Maleficum · Post by **Maleficum** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:24 pm

Ullis wrote:
whitetiger wrote:I scored in the second half on the 7th turn. I lined 3 guys up on the LOS, and put the rest of my team way back in the backfield. He lined up, knocked one of those linemen down, and fouled him. Just out of spite. No other reason. That's the kind of crap I've been dealing with.
I don't know about the particulars of the game, of course. IF you were stalling though, that's a valid tactic.

That's actually legal wheter stalling or not. In fact I think it's a grand part of BB, allthough I'm near a stroke each time my Which-Elf is about to or has gone down on her back...

Actually, I'm afraid when any of my players lie down, since I play in a 'fixed schedule'-league. Elfs cost mucho Gold Crowns.

whitetiger · Post by **whitetiger** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:14 pm

I wasn't stalling. It was the last turn of the game, I was kicking off, he didn't have a 1 turn TD guy. The foul wasn't a tactic to attempt to win the game. I was ahead 3-1. He was fouling just to try to hurt my player out of spite. There were several people watching the game. Two of them actually said out loud, "Bad Form". And that's the kind of unsportsmanlike crap I've been dealing with.

I can understand fouling in the middle of the game to try to get a player off the field. It helps your team. Helps you to win the game. But doing it out of spite at the end is just unsportsmanlike.

grampyseer · Post by **grampyseer** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:21 pm

yeah, when you play elves you have to be aware how much everyone HATES your whole team.
Normally, I'd call it poor form to foul on the last turn.....But if it's a wardancer, witch elf or even a juicy, skilled lino....all bets are off.

Our league has a wardancer with S4, frenzy, mighty blow and strip ball. His coach is resigned to the fate that if that monstrosity EVER ends up on his back, the whole game plan turns to BOOOOOOTSSSS!

.(Ok, not to divert into a fouling thread)

Seriously, that's the challenge of the dark elves, you get some CRAZY effective players, but when they die; It leaves you hurting big-time.

PubBowler · Post by **PubBowler** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:23 pm

whitetiger wrote:I wasn't stalling. It was the last turn of the game, I was kicking off, he didn't have a 1 turn TD guy. The foul wasn't a tactic to attempt to win the game. I was ahead 3-1. He was fouling just to try to hurt my player out of spite. There were several people watching the game. Two of them actually said out loud, "Bad Form". And that's the kind of unsportsmanlike crap I've been dealing with.

I can understand fouling in the middle of the game to try to get a player off the field. It helps your team. Helps you to win the game. But doing it out of spite at the end is just unsportsmanlike.

I'm not for one minute condoning this type of fouling. In fact I very rarely foul myself.
But this is totally within the spirit of BloodBowl.
All the background for all the races support random acts of casual violence.

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:46 pm

I think it's only marginally poor form, personally.

whitetiger · Post by **whitetiger** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:54 pm

I would have even understood had it been a star player he fouled. Gets him out of the league for the next game. But it was a lineman with no SPPs. It was just out of spite, just to try and hurt a player because he lost the game.

I don't tend to foul a lot, either. I don't usually need to.

stashman · Post by **stashman** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:07 pm

See it fluffwise! He was angry for the loss, as you say and he kicked the downed player in the face.

Both in Rugby and Soccer palyers tend to be angry and losses their temper.

Remeber World Soccer Final between France and Italy when Zinedine Zidane headbutted the Italian guy.

Just the same, exept that it hits harder when you foul in the real world

How about Eric Cantona i Manchester United when he made his "flying kick" on the fan (or was it a reporter). That moment even turned him into an old starplayer for Blood Bowl

PubBowler · Post by **PubBowler** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:22 pm

stashman wrote: How about Eric Cantona i Manchester United when he made his "flying kick" on the fan (or was it a reporter). That moment even turned him into an old starplayer for Blood Bowl

Man, that player was great.

I knew it was a waste of his time but killing your opponents FF was so fun.

whitetiger · Post by **whitetiger** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:28 pm

Now that's a rule change I could go for. Kill your opponant's FF during the game. Maybe put a -1 on their ability to hurt your players when they're crowd pushed.

And you're right, he was just mad because he lost and he tried to hurt one of my players. And that's happened several times this league. It actually happened twice when I lost. Guys on the last play, when I couldn't win, crowd pushed or fouled my players. Just to hurt 'em. No other reason, the game was for all intents and purposes over. I could see throwing blocks all over for the CAS points. but to foul just to foul. I understand it's in the fluff. But in the real world, its bad form.

whitetiger · Post by **whitetiger** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:38 pm

I just watched the Eric Cantona flying kick on YouTube. That's great. He'd make a great dark elf. High skills and a nasty temper.

Oh, and after reading a few of these last posts, anybody still wondering why I want an Executioner for my DE team?

Cramy · Post by **Cramy** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:13 am

whitetiger wrote:Now that's a rule change I could go for. Kill your opponant's FF during the game. Maybe put a -1 on their ability to hurt your players when they're crowd pushed.

And you're right, he was just mad because he lost and he tried to hurt one of my players. And that's happened several times this league. It actually happened twice when I lost. Guys on the last play, when I couldn't win, crowd pushed or fouled my players. Just to hurt 'em. No other reason, the game was for all intents and purposes over. I could see throwing blocks all over for the CAS points. but to foul just to foul. I understand it's in the fluff. But in the real world, its bad form.

Some people say its unsportsmanlike, I say it's BloodBowl. Remember, if the guy is killed or permanently injured, it's one less guy to worry about next time he plays you. Especially in a scheduled league.

Some love Elves, some hate them. If you are playing against and Elf hater, and he lost big time, watch out for the boots.

Ullis · Post by **Ullis** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:21 pm

Cramy wrote:Some people say its unsportsmanlike, I say it's BloodBowl. Remember, if the guy is killed or permanently injured, it's one less guy to worry about next time he plays you. Especially in a scheduled league.

The problem in a scheduled league is that every other team gains from the kill or a permanent injury as well. They'll have an easier time and you'll be playing those teams as well.

I've got the impression that the original fouling opponent in this thread has built himself a useful reputation. He can, for instance, convincingly say: "Keep stalling one more turn and I'm gonna do my utmost to kill all your players in the remainder of the game. Plus every game we play after this one."

I once made a similar threat to a Khemri player. He was winning the game 2-0 (I was playing High Elves and had already lost two players to permanent injuries, both -ST) but wasn't going to give me a chance for even one goal. I told him that the boots would come out if he didn't score right away and leave me three turns to try even that one goal (even though I was already losing the game, fouling or not). He declined and kept stalling. My turn, I blocked a mummy down and killed him with a foul.

whitetiger · Post by **whitetiger** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:35 pm

I think you misunderstand. I scored on turn 15. Kicked off on turn 16. He had 1 turn left in the game. He couldn't score, so he blocked every player he could get to. I understand that. CAS points, trying to skill up. Then he fouled a player he knocked down. a line with no SPPs. A couple players in this leaque think that's cool. I think it's unsportsmanlike. Most players I know think its unsportmanlike. Yeah, it's in the fluff. Yeah, it "BLOODBOWL". It's bad form.

If somebody is fouling to try to win the game. Sure, go for it. I'll foul a Rat Ogre every time I can get him down. Unless it's turn 8 and the game is already won or lost. Then it's just trying to hurt somebody's team out of spite or just plain meanness.

Whether it's Bloodbowl, baseball, whatever I'm playing, I try to play at a higher standard than that.

one_second_of_insanity · Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:11 pm

@whitetiger

I recently had that in a game against drakelves with my wood elves, I scored in turn 14 (for a 2-1 lead) so set 3 on the LOS and the rest to protect the bal and stop him from scoring the equalizer, what I ended up with was one player out into the crowd (witch elf and frenzy) and a catcher fouled. I have come to expect that a lot of people really do not like elves (and from what I am gathering especially my wood elves) I dont take it too badly and just see it as part of the game, If its an unskilled lino thats nothing to worry about just induce a journeyman the next game, I just would protect my important positionals and other skilled players.

Just another thing in all my games so far I have never placed a foul and dont see my attitude changing about that anytime soon, but thats a different topic altogether.