Doubles Roll for a Witch Elf.

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Thu May 01, 2008 7:44 pm

Regarding Juggenaut for use against Block players or Mighty Blow, here are my numbers:

Assuming 2 Die Blocks and Frenzy (it is a WE, after all) Juggernaut would be used on 11.8% of all turns.

Assuming 2 Die Blocks, Frenzy, and my opponent having Block but no guard, Mighty Blow is used 18.3% of the time vs. AV7, 14.0% of the time vs. AV 8, and 10.2% of the time vs. AV 9.

I judge those as roughly equal with a slight edge to Mighty Blow. However, I think I'll be making more hits overall than attempts at sideline pushes with her... so more utility in Mighty Blow.

If Wrestle or Fend or Stand Firm is in the league, it's a whole other story...

stashman · Post by **stashman** » Thu May 01, 2008 8:23 pm

Dump-Off

Make her a runner! Bend the rules! Don't be minstream

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Thu May 01, 2008 8:47 pm

stashman wrote:Dump-Off

Make her a runner! Bend the rules! Don't be minstream

Are you sure that's better than Break Tackle

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wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:01 pm

I am the lucky owner of a witch with Block, MightyBlow, AND Juggernaut, and she is fairly awesome.

I would say MightyBlow gets my vote, it was the first I picked of the two, and gets used more. Juggernaut is great for getting around those pesky both down's on the sidelines though, so you really can't go WRONG with either.

Da_Great_MC · Post by **Da_Great_MC** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:52 pm

Piling On + Jump Up makes opponents cry

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Fri May 02, 2008 1:46 am

Da_Great_MC wrote:Piling On + Jump Up makes opponents cry

A witch elf lying prone (for any reason) makes opponents laugh.

FischerKing · Post by **FischerKing** » Fri May 02, 2008 11:14 am

Fouling aint that strong in Lrb 5, and you can put players besides her so she is hard to get to. Piling on, Frenzy, Mb is around the best cas machine you can get in Lrb5 and darkelves are good at playing the numbers.

PubBowler · Post by **PubBowler** » Fri May 02, 2008 11:35 am

Jural wrote:Regarding Juggenaut for use against Block players or Mighty Blow, here are my numbers:

Assuming 2 Die Blocks and Frenzy (it is a WE, after all) Juggernaut would be used on 11.8% of all turns.

Assuming 2 Die Blocks, Frenzy, and my opponent having Block but no guard, Mighty Blow is used 18.3% of the time vs. AV7, 14.0% of the time vs. AV 8, and 10.2% of the time vs. AV 9.

I judge those as roughly equal with a slight edge to Mighty Blow. However, I think I'll be making more hits overall than attempts at sideline pushes with her... so more utility in Mighty Blow.

Worth remembering that the Juggernaut one should say Blitz is required.

Another nudge towards MB.

Circular_Logic · Post by **Circular_Logic** » Fri May 02, 2008 11:46 am

Hmm.. that is too bad, that Juggernaught doesn`t count for the 2nd frenzy block like horns do...

MB is the best option for witches in my opinion. Next skill is tackle or PO on doubles (and then tackle). 2nd witch would then get juggernaught for doubles.

whitetiger · Post by **whitetiger** » Fri May 02, 2008 12:27 pm

Circular_Logic wrote:Hmm.. that is too bad, that Juggernaught doesn`t count for the 2nd frenzy block like horns do...

I don't see that written into the rule. Why wouldn't Juggernaut be good on the second throw?

But I'd still give her MB first. I think it's more useful overall. Then if you get lucky on her next skill and throw another set of doubles, Juggernaut would definately be worth taking.

PubBowler · Post by **PubBowler** » Fri May 02, 2008 12:45 pm

whitetiger wrote:
Circular_Logic wrote:Hmm.. that is too bad, that Juggernaught doesn`t count for the 2nd frenzy block like horns do...
I don't see that written into the rule. Why wouldn't Juggernaut be good on the second throw?

Juggernaut is allowed on the 2nd block of a Blitz action.

whitetiger · Post by **whitetiger** » Fri May 02, 2008 12:52 pm

thanks, PB, that's what I thought.

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Fri May 02, 2008 6:02 pm

FischerKing wrote:Fouling aint that strong in Lrb 5, and you can put players besides her so she is hard to get to. Piling on, Frenzy, Mb is around the best cas machine you can get in Lrb5 and darkelves are good at playing the numbers.

Piling On is extremely tempting AFTER Mighty Blow, but I'd never choose it before Mighty Blow.

FischerKing · Post by **FischerKing** » Sat May 03, 2008 3:34 am

Ah yes, thats what I meant

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Sat May 03, 2008 4:21 am

Circular_Logic wrote:Hmm.. that is too bad, that Juggernaught doesn`t count for the 2nd frenzy block like horns do...

As others have said, Juggernaut affects the 2nd block too. That at least is the intent of the rule.

I'm curious as to why you'd think different. Are the rules unclear in some way?