Doubles Roll for a Witch Elf.

[StigTC]

Hmm.. that is too bad, that Juggernaught doesn`t count for the 2nd frenzy block like horns do...

As others have said, Juggernaut affects the 2nd block too. That at least is the intent of the rule.

I'm curious as to why you'd think different. Are the rules unclear in some way?

I think we're somehow getting mixed up on Horns and Juggernaut being used on Block Actions or Blitz Actions.

Sitting with the LRB5 infront of me it seems pretty clear that neither of them are ever used on a Block Action wether the player has frenzy or not. The discussion is really on when a Juggernaut player is in motion, is it after one square of movement like with Horns or as soon as you declare the Blitz Action?

Only thing that could seem up for discussion regarding the skills use on Block Actions (if you're English is bad enough), is if Juggernaut can be used on both-down results on Block Actions, but that's really a case of how seperating you consider the comma in the Juggernaut skill description (I'd say you most certainly can't).

[whitetiger]

In the description of Juggernaut, it is not stated that they must move a square before the skill applies. This seems to be different from Horns where the player must move at least one square to be able to use the skill. Both must be part of a blitz action. And for Juggernaut, a "both down" result can be treated as a push.

[FischerKing]

It isnt normaly allowed to use the same skill 2 times in the same action? Like, when you dodge around with someone who has the dodge skill, you cannot use it on more than one dodge. Might that be the origin of the confusion? So, if you allready did spend your jugger skill on the first block, people might think its not awailable for the next? or maybe it isnt?

[mattgslater]

In LRB5, they note that unless specified otherwise any skill may be used as often as desired. Then they specify otherwise for most skills!

[DoubleSkulls]

In LRB5, they note that unless specified otherwise any skill may be used as often as desired. Then they specify otherwise for most skills!

[mattgslater]

Well, use-when-desired really matters for some key skills, like Block and Tackle, plus the defensive use of Dodge.

[Marlow]

In LRB5, they note that unless specified otherwise any skill may be used as often as desired. Then they specify otherwise for most skills!

I do think there are actually that many skills that say they can only be used once per turn, it is just that most skills (like Pass, Accurate) can only be used when the player is doing something and it is very hard for a player to do more than one thing a turn.

If there is a bouncing ball you have the potential to use Catch many times, but you would need two players with Dumpoff being chainblocked to use Pass/Accurate more than once a turn.

Ignoring the Negative skills there is only five skills I can see that are limited
Break Tackle, Dodge, Hypnotic Gaze, Pro, Sure Feet

*EDIT* Six, I forgot Leap!
Which is only 10% of the non-negative Skills

[DoubleSkulls]

Leap too.

[Andromidius]

Pile On and Jump Up as well, technically. And Sprint.

~Andromidius

[Circular_Logic]

Hmm.. that is too bad, that Juggernaught doesn`t count for the 2nd frenzy block like horns do...

As others have said, Juggernaut affects the 2nd block too. That at least is the intent of the rule.

I'm curious as to why you'd think different. Are the rules unclear in some way?

I think we're somehow getting mixed up on Horns and Juggernaut being used on Block Actions or Blitz Actions.

Sitting with the LRB5 infront of me it seems pretty clear that neither of them are ever used on a Block Action wether the player has frenzy or not. The discussion is really on when a Juggernaut player is in motion, is it after one square of movement like with Horns or as soon as you declare the Blitz Action?

Only thing that could seem up for discussion regarding the skills use on Block Actions (if you're English is bad enough), is if Juggernaut can be used on both-down results on Block Actions, but that's really a case of how seperating you consider the comma in the Juggernaut skill description (I'd say you most certainly can't).

Ah.. stupid me.. That`s a LRB 5 change that I totally missed out. We have played it the LRB4 way so far, that on a block-action, you could use Horns on the 2nd block, because you have move a square before.

I was just looking up Juggernaught and saw, that the Blitz-action is a specific requirement. But do I get it right, that the player does not have to move before the block (that is part of the blitz action) in order to use Juggernaught?

[DoubleSkulls]

That's right. Juggernaut does NOT have a must move 1 square prior to use requirement.

Pile On and Jump Up could only ever be used once in a turn since you can only ever get up at the start of your turn - and if are already prone you can't use PO or get up.

With sprint it lets you go for a 3rd square, so use it as many times as you like - you can still only go for it 3 times!

[plasmoid]

since you can only ever get up at the start of your turn

(He means action there).

Cheers
Martin

[DoubleSkulls]

Oops - yep action.

[SillySod]

That`s a LRB 5 change that I totally missed out. We have played it the LRB4 way so far, that on a block-action, you could use Horns on the 2nd block, because you have move a square before.

Thats news to me, I dont think this was ever in LRB4. I believe it specifically stated that you could use horns on the second block if you had used horns on the first block.

[Storch]

Pile On and Jump Up could only ever be used once in a turn since you can only ever get up at the start of your turn - and if are already prone you can't use PO or get up.

Couldn't you Jump Up, move, Blitz, use Piling on on the Blitz, and then Jump Up again to end on your feet?

There is nothing in the description of Piling On which says it ends your action.