Blood Bowl tournament tactics - (1 mil & Star environmen

Post by **Thadrin** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:45 pm

BUT SPPs are poitless in the tournament environment.

On the FF question - you just KNOW that I'll get Throw a rock, cheering fans, etc etc EVERY DAMN KICK OFF if I go the 4RR/1FF route. Current thinking is 3RR/5FF. May return to my tulip roster of 2RR/4FF/Apoth.

Almost certainly only going with the one slayer. I think the extra Tackle and AV could prove useful if there are too many Elf/Quick Human/Skaven/LIZARD teams.

Longshot · Post by **Longshot** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:48 pm

But you play dwarves so your RR dont cost a lot.
With HE, this is something else.

Longshot · Post by **Longshot** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 7:50 pm

about Griff: he can do anything, or should i say everything:
Score, block, blitz anywhere (even in a cage...too good player.
Like the Vampire or the bull centaur

longfang · Post by **longfang** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:22 pm

To field a Griff or a vampire on a human team you have to drop too many blitzers. Ok you won't need any catchers or throwers if you take both,
ie
1 Griff
1 Luthor
9 linemen
1 Apoth
2 re-rolls
ff 4

Or replace one of the stars with a Zug and drop 2 ff for 2 Blitzers.

Just don't expect too many sportsmanship points.

If I see rosters like tis the DP's are a first skill.

And Thads, why only 1 Troll slayer? They're the only guys in the game with Dauntless and in a Star player environment they'll be priceless! And after being beat by a dwarf team with a Grim, I'd say he's a good star to take.

Post by **Thadrin** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:46 pm

1 Slayer did me fine at Tulip. My one time using Grim saw him spend most of the game flat on his back while a Headsplitter'd Skaven team ran circles around me. I am still considering the classic "2 Blitzer, 2 Runner, 2 Slayer, 5 Longbeard, 3 reroll, 3FF" roster, but why fix what ain't broke?

I have a feeling there'll be a lot of Lizardmen and Amazons, not to mention pointy eared scum at the BB so the extra Tackle from the word go could be useful. The Longbeard is a wee bit more durable too seeing as it'll be an 11 man team.

We'll see. Practically decided now means nothing I guess.

carlbrown · Post by **carlbrown** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 10:14 pm

Deathwing wrote:
" As I racked my brain for an idea, a huge shadow passed over my mind's eye and I had the answer - an Ogre!"

I think you should field that Deff Sqwad roster for the history and fluff!

I had a sneaking suspicion someone might remember that...doh!

In my defense I was forced to take Morg as Nobbla wasn't available - I still stand by my believe in Ogres being odd in Orc teams. My league team at the time never had an Ogre in it and I got to quite a few finals with it - never won the trophy though.

I agree that Stars can be a risky play - despite thinking of Varag as a no brainer for an Orc team. Like Thadrin and his dwarf line-up I'm looking at no star Orc line-ups, they ain't that bad.

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:05 am

Shane (ECBBL, bighat-wearing, dwarf-coaching, longfang-beating) won't be taking Grim this time around. Mostly because Grim's crap.

I'm with LF on the dirty player bit. Any coach I meet that concentrates their team's chances on one player - be it a wardancer or griff or whatever - will find said player brutally fouled off the pitch.

Fan Factor's going to be interesting this time around. FF didn't play a factor at all in my last 5 tournament games. It's all a gamble.

shaniepoo · Post by **shaniepoo** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:27 pm

Playing as Norse WW's there aint much in the way of Star players so i aint gona be taking any. Instead im thinking of scrap the Star player and drop FF and go for a big guy and apoth. I was beaten to a pulp at res due to big guys! And ive found out the hard way about the apoth, so thats 1st thing on my list! Something like this maybe?

Big guy
3 Blitzer
7 Linemen
3 Re-rolls
Apoth
whats left on FF

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:19 pm

Are we allowed apoths? Didn't think we were. (not that the rules are known)

Post by **Thadrin** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:25 pm

Apoths were allowed at Res. To have one or not is probably the biggest sticking point on my roster choice at the moment.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:26 pm

Oh well thats something for me to think about as well now ;]

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:08 pm

carlbrown wrote: Ian - were you at Res? if so what sort of teams were prevalent?

I'll jump in on this one, just had a look. Here's the Res. breakdown:

Orcs 16
Skaven 10
Humans 8
Lizards 8
Welf 6
Norse 6
Dwarf 5
Delf 5
Halfling 5
Amazon 3
Undead 3
Chaos 3
C. Dwarf 1
Goblin 1
Helf 0

And here's the (corrected) top 25. I know the history books say different, but I was playing around with the results and I didn't want them skewed by Geoff Porrit's balls-up.

This is how it would have looked with 4 points a win rather than 3 and is probably a better reflection of results:

And of the top 15 from the second table, here's the SPs that I can recall:
Geoff Porrit: Headsplitter
Chet: None
James Wood: Luthor
Simon Merton: None
Richard Laking: Dunno
Hans P. E : Don't think so (I think I asked)
Anthony: None
Mike W: None
Colin Tough: Varag
Del: None
Andy Vulling: None
Andy Maclean: None
Geoff Thirwell: Morg
K.Sutherland: Dunno
A. Skilling: Dunno

So SPs not that prevelant amongst the top guys last year, but I suspect there'll be a greater amount this year. Anthony's said elsewhere that'll he probably be bringing a star this year, I will be again, Del may well (esp if he takes Humans). JJ asked for a show of hands from those who didn't take a star at Res. and would do next time. I remember a significant number going up.

All supposition of course..
Once the ruleset's out, we could maybe a run a poll on who intends to take a star.

Longshot · Post by **Longshot** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:22 pm

no HE represented?
they should ask themself why, and make the rules maybe like spiky.
I hope.
Afterall, i will may be take my HE anyway.
will see that whith the rules...
HJust have to wait

McSnaga · Post by **McSnaga** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:26 pm

You said there was just 1 Chaos Dwarf Team, but 2 are listed on your first version of the top 25 ?

I can understand why no-one took High Elves - far too pricy and skill lacking for this environment .. okay in a longer league format though.

Anthony_TBBF · Post by **Anthony_TBBF** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:33 pm

Just don't expect too many sportsmanship points.

You can't blame a guy for taking a Star. IMO Sportsmanship points are for people who are good players who can win and lose gracefully and would rather just play the game rather than nitpick over rules.