Inducements in Finals? (I found the answer)

Marlow · Post by **Marlow** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:33 am

Salutations Readers,

As I am our League Commissioner and our finals are coming up, I have a question have not found the answer too.

Under tournaments LRB5 says Page 30
Typically there are two semi-final matches followed by a final. Inducement and treasury gold may not be used to induce Star Players or Mercenaries for these matches

Then near the top of Page 31
Remember that teams do not receive inducement gold during semi-final and final matches.

While these two statements do not quite contradict each other, it seems a bit stange to first say you can not buy Stars with Inducement money and then say you do not get Inducement money either...

Is this a mistake, or are Finals surposed to be played without Inducement money?

Duke Jan · Post by **Duke Jan** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:38 am

Good question! I only read the statement on page 30, never noticed the one on p31.

Marlow · Post by **Marlow** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:49 am

I just found the answer myself!

http://forum.specialist-games.com/topic ... IC_ID=8169
TYPOS IN LRB5
Page 31 top left: Remove the following sentence "Remember that teams do not receive inducement gold during semi-final and final matches."

civilian_number_two · Post by **civilian_number_two** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:01 am

Our league dropped that rule altogether. We allow all Inducements in any game, including the Finals. A Rookie Vampire team (well, it had 13 games under its belt) recently won the championship against a three-season Dark Elf team. Great coaching helped, but the win was made possible by Inducements. Without Inducements, I don't think there would have been a reason to play the game at all.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:14 am

civilian_number_two wrote:Without Inducements, I don't think there would have been a reason to play the game at all.

But that's not the ruling. The ruling, as clarified by the link above is no Stars or mercs - the other inducements are all allowed.

civilian_number_two · Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:52 pm

Yeah, the ruling is also that in terms of league decisions (not specifially game play) the Commissioner has the final word. So while our commissioner doesn't have the final word over how skills work, and while he can't change the size of the thriowing meter, he does have the authority to say that the playoffs section of the rulebook is bollocks ofr the way our league operates. And since everyone here agrees, it's an easy argument to make.

Daefaroth · Post by **Daefaroth** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:17 pm

civilian_number_two wrote:Yeah, the ruling is also that in terms of league decisions (not specifially game play) the Commissioner has the final word. So while our commissioner doesn't have the final word over how skills work, and while he can't change the size of the thriowing meter, he does have the authority to say that the playoffs section of the rulebook is bollocks ofr the way our league operates. And since everyone here agrees, it's an easy argument to make.

2 points to make.

First, commissioner can change ANYTHING they want, up to and including making dwarves fly (Ref: Page 24 LRB5). If they want to change skills, throwing distances, or anything else they do have that authority.

Second, this is the 'Rules Queries' forum; house rules get posted elsewhere.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:28 pm

Daefaroth wrote:Second, this is the 'Rules Queries' forum; house rules get posted elsewhere.

Exactly, if you answer with house rules, you're giving incorrect answers.

civilian_number_two · Post by **civilian_number_two** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:56 am

I didn't answer with a house rule. I acknowledged the rule and then said how we did it in our league. Do you honestly think that anyone could have made the mistake that I was speaking as though the thing we do is the published rule of the game? Yeesh; tough crowd.

Anyway, what we concluded is that the published rules are self-contradictory and that a league will need to decide for itself. Which is a good thing, since the published league rules are terrible. The game itself is great, but the published rules for "challenges" allow a challenged player to refuse, and then offer a substitute who CANNOT be refused by the original challenger. So essentially the published rules allow for alliances. That's idiotic, and it adds a level of meta-gaming that just gums up the works.

Face it, the game is well-made, but the rules for how to play in a league are contradictory and incomplete. As published, they're unplayable.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:55 am

civilian_number_two wrote:I acknowledged the rule and then said how we did it in our league

By definition - a house rule.

Anyway, what we concluded is that the published rules are self-contradictory and that a league will need to decide for itself.

Which is why there's the clarification Marlow points above, which iirc will be in LRB6.

civilian_number_two · Post by **civilian_number_two** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:53 pm

I acknowledged the rule, COMMA, and THEN said how we did it in our league.

I did NOT "answer" a rules query with a house rule.

BY DEFINITION.

Anyway, if it bugs you so much, feel free to use your mod powers to remove it.

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:37 am

this thread is funny

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:06 am

Darkson wrote:
Daefaroth wrote:Second, this is the 'Rules Queries' forum; house rules get posted elsewhere.
Exactly, if you answer with house rules, you're giving incorrect answers.

My league commisioner said I could post house rules on this forum, and therefore it's now OK. He also ordered all of you to send me 20 dollars.

Don't worry, I accept PayPal.

Stout Youngblood · Post by **Stout Youngblood** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:02 pm

Jural wrote:
Darkson wrote:
Daefaroth wrote:Second, this is the 'Rules Queries' forum; house rules get posted elsewhere.
Exactly, if you answer with house rules, you're giving incorrect answers.
My league commisioner said I could post house rules on this forum, and therefore it's now OK. He also ordered all of you to send me 20 dollars.

Don't worry, I accept PayPal.

Money sent.

Aliboon · Post by **Aliboon** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:42 pm

The game itself is great, but the published rules for "challenges" allow a challenged player to refuse, and then offer a substitute who CANNOT be refused by the original challenger.

So what do you do? I can see why you don't like it, but otherwise, in an open league format, teams could be just continually have their challenges refused and they'd never play. At least this gives them the chance of a game, or an auto win. The other option is to just give an auto win for declined challenges, which isn't really the point of an open league. I can't really see the perfect way of doing it though.

As I read it, that whole section is giving suggestions about how the Commissioner could organise the play-offs for tournaments

This shouldn't really be in the Rules section, but hey ho....