Stab and Frenzy

stashman · Post by **stashman** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:17 am

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Can you sub your blocks for stabs when frenzying?

What I'm getting is that per the skill descriptions, you could either not use frenzy (by stabbing, you don't get a pushed or defender stumbles result on the first block), or by throwing the first block, following up a push or defender stumbles, and then substituting your stab for the second block attempt. Thoughts?

I don't see anything in the rules that would prevent it. You would have to use it as you describe though, either Stab, no Frenzy; or Block, Pushback, Frenzy, Stab

Can you do this???

Daefaroth · Post by **Daefaroth** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:13 am

I don't see any reason why you can't do this. As you mention the first time you sub a stab the frenzy chain will end. Frenzy forces you to throw a block, stab allows you to substitute a block with a stab attack.

Vesto · Post by **Vesto** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:10 pm

Frenzy skill description: (LRB5 page 45)

A player with this skill is a slavering psychopath who attacks his
opponents in an uncontrollable rage. Unless otherwise overridden, this
skill must always be used. When making a block, a player with this skill
must always follow up if they can. If a 'Pushed' or 'Defender Stumbles'
result was chosen, the player must immediately throw a second block
against the same opponent so long as they are both still standing and
adjacent. If possible the player must also follow up this second block.

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So, you MUST throw a second block and therefore player can't use the stab skill.

Craigtw · Post by **Craigtw** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:23 pm

Stab does work well with Multiple Block however!

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:32 pm

Vesto wrote:So, you MUST throw a second block and therefore player can't use the stab skill.

Not true. Stab can always substitute a block.

So on the first block you block and then Frenzy kicks in. For the second required block you substitue Stab for it.

Galak

whitetiger · Post by **whitetiger** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:47 pm

I didn't know that. Never thought of that one. Could make an Assassin worth taking. Use the block on the first hit and if you push the opposition player into a 1 die or 2 die against situation, just stab him.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:33 pm

whitetiger wrote:I didn't know that. Never thought of that one. Could make an Assassin worth taking. Use the block on the first hit and if you push the opposition player into a 1 die or 2 die against situation, just stab him.

Same for Multiple Block ... you can replace either the first or the 2nd block with Stab (or both).

Galak

dwarfrunner · Post by **dwarfrunner** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:22 pm

Vesto wrote:Frenzy skill description: (LRB5 page 45)

A player with this skill is a slavering psychopath who attacks his
opponents in an uncontrollable rage. Unless otherwise overridden, this
skill must always be used. When making a block, a player with this skill
must always follow up if they can. If a 'Pushed' or 'Defender Stumbles'
result was chosen, the player must immediately throw a second block
against the same opponent so long as they are both still standing and
adjacent. If possible the player must also follow up this second block.

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So, you MUST throw a second block and therefore player can't use the stab skill.

I was under the impression, if you chose to use the stab on the first hit, then it cancelled frenzy. It is a nice option, hit him then possibly stab, or just stab and stop.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:40 pm

dwarfrunner wrote:I was under the impression, if you chose to use the stab on the first hit, then it cancelled frenzy. It is a nice option, hit him then possibly stab, or just stab and stop.

You are correct.

Galak

Daefaroth · Post by **Daefaroth** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:25 am

dwarfrunner wrote:I was under the impression, if you chose to use the stab on the first hit, then it cancelled frenzy. It is a nice option, hit him then possibly stab, or just stab and stop.

To reword this; the very nature of stab makes the following qualifier of Frenzy impossible:

When making a block, a player with this skill must always follow up if they can. If a 'Pushed' or 'Defender Stumbles' result was chosen, the player must immediately throw a second block against the same opponent so long as they are both still standing and adjacent.

Stab causes no knockback, so you can't follow up.
Stab has no roll, so no 'Pushed' or 'Defender Stumbles' results to trigger the second block.

whitetiger · Post by **whitetiger** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:27 am

LIke I said, might make assassins worth taking.

Ogre Marauder · Post by **Ogre Marauder** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:31 pm

My Frenzy Assasin blocks with an assist - 2d

PUSH

Uh Oh! No assist, and it looks like you've got two...

I'll try a quick stab instead of my second block

Through armour, and a KO - great

Err - Hi Guys... Sorry about your friend

Please Don't kill me! *whimpers behind his AV7*

Odium Khan · Post by **Odium Khan** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:39 am

To each their own I guess, but I'm not sure I'd pick Frenzy on an assassin. I would consider Multiple Block (on doubles) however, just for the psychological effects it has on your opponent...