Declaration of hand-off action?

Helby · Post by **Helby** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:53 pm

When is a hand-off action declared.
1) Before you activate the player performing the action?
2) Or during the players turn, for example after he picked up the ball?

I had this discussion with another coach today and since we couldn't come to any kind of agreement i promised him to ask you guys.

Hope you can help

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:02 pm

All actions are declared as the first thing for the player - i.e. he can not do anything until you have declared his action.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:48 pm

plasmoid wrote:All actions are declared as the first thing for the player - i.e. he can not do anything until you have declared his action.

qft

Ullis · Post by **Ullis** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:14 pm

Maybe your friend plays in Fumbbl too, where you can decide at any point you're moving?

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:22 pm

plasmoid wrote:All actions are declared as the first thing for the player - i.e. he can not do anything until you have declared his action.

What he said.

Galak

Gumbo · Post by **Gumbo** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:29 pm

Ullis wrote:Maybe your friend plays in Fumbbl too, where you can decide at any point you're moving?

Or maybe he hasn't played since 3rd ed when you could hand off at any point as a free action.

Mo · Post by Mo » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:27 pm

The courtesy custom around these parts is that you declare actions at the start, but it's OK to declare during hte move as long as you haven't rolled any dice yet as part of that move.

Helby · Post by **Helby** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:07 pm

Thx for all the answers!

Can any of you give me some kind of reference to the rulebook that can help me convience my friend?

Digger Goreman · Post by **Digger Goreman** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:09 pm

Player Actions, P7, 2nd Paragraph....

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:47 pm

I agree with Mo. If my opponent has not taken any risks during his move, I'm normally happy to let him Blitz, Pass, Hand Off or Foul etc.

It's very common for newbies or rusty players to do this - I just let them.

Alamar · Post by **Alamar** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:22 pm

As far as the rules go you declare before you touch the fig. I recommend that as a custom you do it even for move actions.

On the other hand if it's obvious to me what the coach is trying to do then I'll remind them and almost always let them go through with the action.

If it's not obvious and/or dice have been rolled then it's a no-no. Of course if they want to reroll all dice [esp. if they were dangerous rolls] then I don't have too much of an issue with it

alternat · Post by **alternat** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:28 am

in this cases I generally declare "I go and pick up the ball, and if I succeed I'll hand it off"

just to be sure.

Cramy · Post by **Cramy** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:26 pm

alternat wrote:in this cases I generally declare "I go and pick up the ball, and if I succeed I'll hand it off"

just to be sure.

I tend to do this as well, I'll declare my whole action plan before moving the miniature. No confusion.

Mysterious Stranger · Post by **Mysterious Stranger** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:40 pm

Smeborg wrote:I agree with Mo. If my opponent has not taken any risks during his move, I'm normally happy to let him Blitz, Pass, Hand Off or Foul etc.

It's very common for newbies or rusty players to do this - I just let them.

Although I don't think it's much of a problem to give a bit of leeway in most cases, even to experienced coaches, it could be abused (though admittedly, when someone says, "You didn't declare a pass" it's also true that you didn't declare a move...).

Definitely best practice to declare all actions, including move, and good practice for the non-acting coach to ask, "Is that a move action?" when his opponent starts moving a figure - waiting to lawyer him with "you didn't say Blitz" seems a bit sneaky to me.