Wizard

bouncergriim · Post by **bouncergriim** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:59 pm

When is a wizard worth inducing? I like the idea of one, but with star players, it seems like you can get more bang for your inducement money other ways.

Aliboon · Post by **Aliboon** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:41 pm

A wizard is probably one of the better inducements imo-if you are a big enough underdog to be able to get the starplayers you want, then getting him is a good option too. Some teams don't really have very good starplayers either.

In cup (semi) finals he's great-no stars allowed!

Probably best against strong slow teams like dwarves and khemri-fireball that cage.

Tarp · Post by **Tarp** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:46 pm

a wizard used at the right time is a key to winning against any team, its like an ekstra blitz, so you can get to the ball or score that winning TD, a wizard can turn the tide in a bash v bash game...
And best of all if your opponent play to awoid you good use of the wizard, then it just paysoff the whole game because it hampers your opponents playstyle.

Decker_cky · Post by **Decker_cky** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:02 am

Wizards IMO are the best inducement. In general, you have to consider a well used wizard to be +1 TD for you and -1 for your opponent. But there are other uses such as following up a gang foul (great against low armour teams).

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:55 am

I would say there are 2 inducements that are of outstandingly good value:

- Wizard at 150,000.

- 2 Babes at 100,000.

Which is better value depends on the situation, but as a generalisation, I would say that the Wizard is the best value inducement in the game.

Hope this helps.

Spiky · Post by **Spiky** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:48 pm

The threat from a wizard is as important as the actual wizard himself. As an opponent, knowing that one of your players can be knocked over on a 2+ means that having a lone man in the backfield, or a lone reciever upfield can be dangerous and it means your opponent has to dedicate more bodies to safeguard the ball.

Cramy · Post by **Cramy** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:49 pm

And the Wizard doesn't steal any SPPs. I hate it when my hired star gets the MVP...

Against fast teams, lightning bolt on the ball carrier can be great. Against any team that cages, fireball in the cage works great. It does work like having two blitzes for that turn, and if you're lucky, you'll get one or two guys stunned or worse.

With my Goblins, once I have loaded-up on Bribes, a Wizard and/or Babes are usually my next purchases.

Tripleskull · Post by **Tripleskull** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:51 pm

I almost agree with Smeborg.
Only inducement with better value imo is eldril at 170 k and that obviusly only goes for elves.
He has mostle the same effect as a wizard. He changes the way your opponant needs to play and he vil likely help you to get your hands on the ball in the opponants drive. On top of that he can be used several times and realy be a help on offence aswell - opening runninglanes.

purdindas · Post by **purdindas** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:19 pm

I would only induce a wizard if I had a huge amount of dosh to spend on inducements. Probably at least 500,000. Star players, bribes, apothecaries and babes would generally be above the wizard in my shopping list. Saying that though he can be a useful addition. If you fail to knock down their ball carrier by conventional means and he's about to score then use the wizard at the end of your turn.

PubBowler · Post by **PubBowler** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:09 pm

Tripleskull wrote: Only inducement with better value imo is eldril at 170 k and that obviusly only goes for elves.

I think there are many inducements that are equal (or better) value than wizards, at least in LRB5.

Chainsaw stars.
High ST Block, Mighty Blow Stars like Zug or Borak.
High ST players on teams with have access to high ST like Ripper & Borak for Nurgle.
Brick & Grotty for Ogres.
Deeproot & Chef for Halfings.
Zara on a Dwarf team.

Wizards are good, and have a nice effect on an opponents play but I don't think they are most TV effective inducement.

Tripleskull · Post by **Tripleskull** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:21 pm

To start from the end. obviusly the chef is good tv for the halflings - since its 1/3 of the price. Same goes for bribes at half price combined with secret weapons.

Most of the stars you mention is comparable to two wizard - they might be better than a wizard and something more. but they would rarely be better than two wizards would, where that possible.

The chainsaw can go either way. You can also misfire the wizard, but I think the wizard win considerable more games than chainsaw does.

bouncergriim · Post by **bouncergriim** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:05 pm

I use lizards and ussually go with babes and an extra apoth rather than the Wiz.

Decker_cky · Post by **Decker_cky** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:31 pm

Wizard: 150,000

High Strength Stars:
270,000 for Ripper
300,000 for Borak
260,000 for Zug

In general, they're all going to be at least 100,000 more than the wizard.

I'd say that for a chance to win the game, they have about equal effect. The stars have a bigger chance to reduce damage to your team and to cause damage to the other team. But to get the win, the wizard is a better deal.

There's obviously exceptions. On a team like ogres, getting an ogre and a goblin on the pitch instead of 2 snotlings is amazing. Goblins have discount bribes and halflings have discount chefs. Both of those are central to the strategy of the team and are value priced. Someone like Dolfar Longstride on the right team would be an amazing value.

Chainsaws are there to cause damage, but the fear of them often means they don't have as much impact as everyone thinks. When they work well...they're as good as a wizard, but they have a bigger risk of being duds than chainsaws.

PubBowler · Post by **PubBowler** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:36 pm

Decker_cky wrote: Chainsaws are there to cause damage, but the fear of them often means they don't have as much impact as everyone thinks. When they work well...they're as good as a wizard, but they have a bigger risk of being duds than chainsaws.

As chainsaws are the one of the few inducements to get a higher price in LRB6, indicating how effective they are, how effective do you think they are?

Tarp · Post by **Tarp** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:48 pm

not very... I have rarely seen one make other than a minor impact on a game... mostly because you just blitz or block it, and away it goes (chainsaw players that is)