Side Step + Shadowing

[stashman]

Question:

If a player with side step + shadowing gets blocked, but don't go down and is side stepping beside the blocking player, can I use shadowing to enter the blocking players square?

Side step is used before the blocking player choose to follow up.

Is this right?

[purdindas]

Thats a good question.

I would have to say no. I think the idea is that both player are supposed to be moving simultaneously.

[plasmoid]

I think you can.
And I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before.

It's
Block
Pushback (sidestep)
Follow-up
Shadowing

Looks solid to me.

[Dwarfpete]

I agree to plasmoid.
But it seems importent to me, that the player using side step does not leave the tackle zone of the blocking player, when he decides the square to move in when he is pushed back. The rules say that you can use shadowing "when a player performing an Action on the opposing team moves out of any of his tackle zones for any reason". So if your player is after pushing back still in a tackle zone of the blocking player, it should be possible to use shadowing. Remeber the D6-roll.

[Smeborg]

My instant reaction was "no way".

It seems to me that a block and everything related to it is carried out in a strict sequence. So:

- Pick a block die result (in this case a push).
- Blocked player is pushed back (in this case he decides where to go because of sidestep).
- Blocking player follows up (or not).

Since the blocker's square is not available to the blocked player at the point in the sequence when he decides where to sidestep to, he cannot move into that square.

QED I hope.

All the best.

[DoubleSkulls]

Question:

If a player with side step + shadowing gets blocked, but don't go down and is side stepping beside the blocking player, can I use shadowing to enter the blocking players square?

Side step is used before the blocking player choose to follow up.

Is this right?

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Bd
_a

So #B blocks #d, who sidesteps to #a. #B then decides to follow up. Can the defender, from #a, use shadowing to move to the now vacant #B? Yes.

That would apply if there were a different player at #a too who had shadowing.

[daloonieshaman]

yes
consider this effect against a Frenzy play
that will make him mad ahahahaha

[lerchey]

Question:

If a player with side step + shadowing gets blocked, but don't go down and is side stepping beside the blocking player, can I use shadowing to enter the blocking players square?

Side step is used before the blocking player choose to follow up.

Is this right?

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Bd
_a

So #B blocks #d, who sidesteps to #a. #B then decides to follow up. Can the defender, from #a, use shadowing to move to the now vacant #B? Yes.

That would apply if there were a different player at #a too who had shadowing.

Are you sure about this?

Shadowing (General)
The player may use this skill when a player PERFORMING AN ACTION on the opposing team MOVES OUT OF ANY OF HIS TACKLE ZONES...

Caps mine for emphasis.

In the example shown, B blocks d, who side steps to a.

1) d did not take an action - he exercized the use of a skill in the results of B taking an action, thus B is not eligible to use shadowing.
2) d NEVER left Bs tackle zones, thus B is not eligible to use shadowing.

???

[Fat_Emrys]

1) d did not take an action - he exercized the use of a skill in the results of B taking an action, thus B is not eligible to use shadowing.
2) d NEVER left Bs tackle zones, thus B is not eligible to use shadowing.

???

1) Yes, a shadowing player has never taken an action as it's a passive skill, used only by the non-active team. B isn't the one using shadowing, it's d (or one of his team-mates).
2) It isn't a question of d leaving B's tackle zones. B left one of d's eight tackle zones when he follows up so he CAN be shadowed.

[SBG]

So, according to the teis explanation, if we use the same example (Bd/a), but let's say we add e, who would be top left from B

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e
 Bd
  a

Let's say that e has Shadowing, can he follow B once d has sidestepped to a? If so, I got a couple of PBeM turns wrong...

Fred

[Fat_Emrys]

So, according to the teis explanation, if we use the same example (Bd/a), but let's say we add e, who would be top left from B

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e
 Bd
  a

Let's say that e has Shadowing, can he follow B once d has sidestepped to a? If so, I got a couple of PBeM turns wrong...

Yes, if B follows up because - to paraphrase the rulebook - a player (B) performing a (block) action on the opposing team has moved out of one of his (e's) tackle zones.

[SBG]

That's a good thing to know.
I want to offer my deepest apologies to all my MBBL opponents who have players with Shadowing... although none of them ever told me that I badly played my turn!

Maybe, like me, they didn't know...

Fred

Edit: spelling

[lerchey]

Thanks guys! I think I misinterpereted (another word I can't spell!) "leaving a tackle zone" as "leaving ALL of a players tackle zone". I think I was tired or punchy.

It now makes sense to me as explained. But perhaps it was good that I asked, as it's at least a lot clearer to ME now. :)