Touchdown and sequence of play.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:41 am

Because (as was clarified when their was arguement about scoring with a TD in your opponents turn if hit by a Frenzier) the 2 Blocks within Frenzy are classed as two individual "actions" within the "action" (and the teminology could be better), so Block 1 needs to be completed,which leads to the ball scattering, being caught, causing a TD, which causes a Turnover. The coach may then not complete anymore actions with his players.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:03 am

where was two frenzy blocks classed as actions in the action?

the FAQ states that you don't get it for hitting an opposing player again becuase the rules for scoring in the opposing teams turn is standing at any point with the ball in the opposing teams turn. In this case between the two blocks.

scoring in your own turn happens at the end of your players action, as consistent with bloodlust

so my example of following up against a player with sidestep into the endzone, you would class this also as a touchdown?

I can see where you are coming from, just not the rules to back up what you are saying.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:11 am

Grumbledook wrote:so my example of following up against a player with sidestep into the endzone, you would class this also as a touchdown?

No, (and this is where I think the rules get stupid) because the frenzy player has to finish his own action.

Orr...

Maybe not - I'm going back to bed - my head hurts....

I still think the easiest solution is to say you get a TD as soon as a standing player is in control of the ball in the EZ - sod the "end of an action" here and "in your opponents turn" there - if you're standing, you score.
Then we can let the Frenzier just throw the 2nd block for the sheer hell of it.

styphon · Post by **styphon** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:18 pm

I think it's getting a little confusing as to what I'm asking. I know the blitzer HAS to make the second block (Frenzy causes a second block to be made during a block or blitz action, it doesn't cause a second action to be taken) because it is still part of the Blitz action, which needs to be completed before a touchdown can be scored (I would be scoring in my turn, which means actions HAVE to be completed before a touchdown could occur).

The thing I'm not sure about is if you score in your turn, ignoring the turnover caused by the second block, or in your opponents turn (i.e. both turn markers move along one). The general consensus is ignore the turnover and the touchdown occurs in your turn, but it would be nice to have this confirmed by a member of the BBRC.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:22 pm

Page 7 turnovers:

A coach that suffers a turnover is not allowed to take any further
actions that turn, and any action being taken ends immediately
even if it was only partially completed. Make armour and injury
rolls for players that were knocked down, and if the ball was
dropped then roll to see where it bounces too normally. Stunned
players should be turned face up, and then the opposing coach
may start to take their turn.

So the turnover ends the action, you are standing with the ball at the end of the action in the endzone, so you score.

It happens in your turn not the opponents. So the touchdown is scored the same way as if your frenzy player hadn't fallen over.

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:36 pm

I don't like to say it but I have to agree with the Dook here.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:44 pm

*Awards Draco with a Deputy Dook Badge"

rodders · Post by **rodders** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:59 pm

TD would come after frenzied players second block as after that he has finished his action

styphon · Post by **styphon** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:36 pm

Cheers for the clarification guys.

Mootaz · Post by **Mootaz** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:27 pm

rodders wrote:TD would come after frenzied players second block as after that he has finished his action

Wrong.
From the FAQ (LRB 5, p. 60)

Q: If a player with Strip Ball pushes a player with the ball into his end
zone is this a Touchdown? Likewise what happens if a Frenzy player’s
first block pushes a player with the ball into the End zone?
A: No, as stated in the rules, a player has to be standing and holding a
ball to score. This doesn’t happen with Strip Ball. As for Frenzy, the
touchdown is scored as soon as the player is pushed into the end zone.
The Frenzy player does not get the 2 block.

bold is mine.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:33 pm

that is if you are pushing an opposing player who is holding the ball into your end zone mootaz

not pushing an opposing player onto the ball which scatters and one of your own players in the end zone catches it

hence why this thread got as long as it did and isn't answered by that FAQ ;]

Xeterog · Post by **Xeterog** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:38 pm

There are two different situations that a TD is scored..
either during your turn
or during your opponents turn.

the criteria for when you score the TD are DIFFERENT for each.

During Your turn, you must end an action with a player standing with the ball in the EZ to score a TD. (so in the OP senario, the action isn't over until the ball has scattered and come to rest and the AV/Inj rolls have been made..and since you have the ball now in the EZ, you score a TD during your turn).

During your opponents turn, you score a TD as soon as one of your players ends up standing in the EZ with the ball..so one of your players been hit by a Frenzy player would score a TD before the 2nd block pushes them out of bountds.

Mootaz · Post by **Mootaz** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:54 pm

Ah, yes, I see my error.

Otake · Post by **Otake** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:53 pm

Grumbledook wrote:Page 7 turnovers:

[...]

So the turnover ends the action, you are standing with the ball at the end of the action in the endzone, so you score.

It happens in your turn not the opponents. So the touchdown is scored the same way as if your frenzy player hadn't fallen over.

Agree with Grumbledook on that. Must throw second block before TD is officialized.

BTW, if your frenzied blitzing player Pushes Back his opponent
AND if by incredible set of things and unbelievable choice you are able to AND decide to push-push out of the pitch your player holding the ball, there's no TD.

(What? Making things more confused ? ^ ^ )

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:22 pm

why would you choose to do a block in the first place that would end up with your own player getting pushed into the crowd ;]

but yes should you be silly (desperate) enough to try that then yes there would not be a touchdown and you caused a turnover, with a high chance the crowd will now throw the ball in where your opponent can go pick it up