Defensive alignments.

Trambi · Post by **Trambi** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 4:19 pm

ogre perhaps like Dwarfs.
But what about Dwarfs.
I can't imagine that dwarfs like ogres.

Moreover ogres prefer to play in a ogre team

And that's all !!!

Sneaky Rat · Post by **Sneaky Rat** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 9:17 pm

Ok, on the issue of two throwers on a skaven team... There is no reason to NOT have 2 for the skaven. They are just a linerat with surehands that has access to passing skills. I always take 2. One is the real thrower, gets accurate and things like that, he is the one that is meant to throw the ball to a gutter runner. The other gets hail mary pass, and then block and other skills you would give a linerat. That way you have two men with surehands in the backfield to pick up the ball. If the real thrower gets it, then you pass to the gutter runner. If the hail mary guy gets it, you lob it down field and let your gutter runner go down and get it. Works especially well against slower teams. Two throwers just gives you the added versatility. Besides that, if you only want one on the field at a time, the opponent never knows which you will bring, so it forces a more balanced defence from him. Keeps him from stacking the line and pounding all the linerats. 20,000 is not alot to pay for a linerat with surehands, pass and access to passing skills.

Post by **Thadrin** » Wed Feb 27, 2002 7:34 am

Trambi - Ogre teams simply aren't that common. Ogres define mercenary - they really don't care who they play for as long as they get paid and fed. My dwarf team aren't giving up their ogre (if only because its the best paint job on my team - which is now approaching 30 models.)

The line up I gave would be against a Human/elf/Skaven type team. If I played chaos I'd probably shift a Longbeard up onto the line, or possibly one of my slayers.

Of course, just now I only have one slayer and eleven players

Playing a Wood Elf team with 7 FF next though

Who have yet to be beaten and average three TDs per game

But I have lots of Tackle

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:24 am

To further clarify...

if you want to rant about big guys not making any sense, why not talk about Minotaurs in a Norse team..

My Ogre in the Dwarf team is so bad I'm really considering selling him (the A'dam league allows inter-team deals and such..) because in 5 games he has picked up 2 casualties. He still does not even have Block yet!! Plus I gave him a Magic Helmet which I wish I had given to my Slayer instead!! Three times in the last game he failed to collect a hand-off! I hate him, but I'm totally with Thadrin, he's the best painted model in my team, so unless someone offers 150K, he might as well stay and look good on the LOS...

Princelucianus · Post by **Princelucianus** » Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:11 am

He'll probably be standing around looking stupid because I see some seious cashflow problems in the league.

Put him on the LOS Norse

Lucy

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:54 am

I'm the only team with money you mean?

Dwarves just LOVE their gold, don't they Lucy?

Trambi · Post by **Trambi** » Wed Feb 27, 2002 3:02 pm

Norse: Can I buy him ?

About skaven throwers, it may be cool to have 2 throwers but not at the begining (20k saved) and that's all !!!!

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Longshot · Post by **Longshot** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 5:30 am

only one thrower max in newbie teams!!

Trambi · Post by **Trambi** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 5:42 am

That is just what i mean !

Post by **voyagers_uk** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:26 am

I think most of us would agree with that.

longfang · Post by **longfang** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 4:30 pm

Sneaky Rat · Post by **Sneaky Rat** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:53 pm

Skaven throwers are cheap. Two throwers for a starting team in very important for skaven. For only 20k you get a linerat with 2 good skills. Sure hands is extremly important for a non-elf team. 2/3 chance of picking up the ball is not enough, especially for a fragile team like the skaven, and gutter runners need to get down field and set up in a make shift cage. They can't afford to waste time to get the ball and then move up, by that time half your team is on the ground. I will forever maintain that while 2 throwers isn't a necessity, it is huge advantage for the skaven to have, especially on a starting team.

Longshot · Post by **Longshot** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 10:24 pm

my skaven team have 1 thrower and 3 gunter runner at the beginning and it works well.
A friend of mine (skaven in our league) has started without thrower and made pass with his runner, works also and he went in semi on our last tournament.
so i think that 2 thrower is not necessary.

Sneaky Rat · Post by **Sneaky Rat** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 11:28 pm

I usually go with 2 throwers and 2 gutter runners, or sometimes even one gutter runner. A second thrower is cheaper than a gutter runner, and is stronger. Throwers are of course slower, but you only need to get them 4 squares into the opponents side of the field and they can score the next turn. I am not saying that 2 throwers is the way for everyone to go, but i have learned to make great use of it. I think it might have to do with playing against only strong teams. Very few people use elves where i live. So my gutter runners tend to get pounded on. Maybe it has just been chance, but when i use two throwers and two gutter runners, the gutter runners almost never even get blocked because i have enought strong players on the pitch. Lately i have used only one gutter runner with two throwers and the gutter runner only gets blocked about 3 times a game, and scores at least 2 touchdowns. It all boils down to your style of play i suppose, but i can't see myself ever starting a skaven team with only one thrower. And just as a side note, i usually use a starting skaven team of:

2 throwers
2 Gutter Runners
9 Linerats
3 Re-Rolls
8 Fan factor

Storm vermin are added later, because i don't see the armor of 8 being worth as much as the extra linerat, and one advancement gets a linerat block.

Trambi · Post by **Trambi** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 11:43 pm

Of course thrower are stronger than runners(3 vs 2), but runners have mv 9(vs 7), ag 4(vs 3) ,dodge. So runners are better than thrower no doubt about this fact. In addition, skavens play a course game rather than a pass game.
Even if it safer to pick up the ball with a thrower (8/9 vs 5/6 for runner). After the runner are harder to push down and faster.