Can you Fumble a pass when you roll a 6?

[Xeterog]

but you can make a long bomb pass in 8 TZ, in range of 11 FA players when it is very sunny... for a total modifier of -22

your left off the passer being stunty..for -23

[Hache]

how are you going to be in 9 TZ?

Cheating ?

[khudzlin]

with the cards, you can go even higher:

- sprinkler malfunction: -1 modifier on pass, catch and pick up rolls
- illegal substitution: a coach can field an extra player (12th FA)
- Gromskull's exploding runes: one player gets bombs with a -1 modifier on the pass roll

make the total modifier -26

[daloonieshaman]

boy that is the great/bad thing about 6/1

simple, direct and equally a pain in the a$$ when it happens to you or your opponent

[dodolulu]

But it's not quite the same thing.
The fumble rule seems to override the normal rules for succes.

For instance, we know for a fact that when passing with an AG6 player, an accurate pass can still be fumbled instead.
(AG6 throws a long bomb. Needs a 3+. However, a 3 -2 for range = 1, and that's a fumble).

Cheers
Martin

maybe ive skipped the answer to that, but im interested in this special case.

[daloonieshaman]

But it's not quite the same thing.
The fumble rule seems to override the normal rules for succes.

For instance, we know for a fact that when passing with an AG6 player, an accurate pass can still be fumbled instead.
(AG6 throws a long bomb. Needs a 3+. However, a 3 -2 for range = 1, and that's a fumble).

Cheers
Martin

maybe ive skipped the answer to that, but im interested in this special case.

I think I have read your concern wrong

1) IF the die roll is a 1, it is always a failure: If you roll a 6 it is always successful

2)pg 12 of the rule book. Look up your AG in this case 6 on the chart and you need to roll 1 or better BEFORE modification (remember if you roll a 1 it will still be a fumble) Modify the dice roll in this case -2 for long bomb (say you roll a 5 -2 for long range = 3 which is higher than 1+ so you succeed)

In your question your AG 6 guy needs 1+, you rolled a 3.
3 -2 (for Long Bomb) = 1 (you did not roll a 1 you rolled a 3 BUT ......

3) pg 22 under fumble if
"the D6 roll for a pass is 1 or less before or after modification,
then the thrower has fumbled and dropped the ball."
So in your case because the die roll (of 3) was modified down to a 1 it is a fumble

[Rabid_Bogscum]

why do you guys keep adding -1 to the rolls for stunty? have the rules changed? I just thought the range was reduced i.e. a stunty cant throw a long bomb and a long pass is at -2.

[khudzlin]

yes, they have changed: stunty no longer increases the range, but adds a -1 modifier ; that way, stunty can throw long bombs, if they're crazy enough

likewise, strong arm doesn't reduce the range, but adds +1 to all passes longer than quick (and it's a S skill)

[daloonieshaman]

For plasmoid's question/example there is no indication of stunty

as far as an answer to your question about the -1 for stunty

Both LRB 5 and LRB (almost 6) give a -1 to pass for stunty

LRB am6 "but must subtract 1 from the roll when they pass"
LRB 5 "but must subtract 1 from the roll when they pass."

there is no range limitation listed in either version
the listing of stunty is in wonderful members determining the maximum modifier for any given pass (what are we currently at -23?)

[dodolulu]

so an agility of 6 without safe throw would be mostly useless for a thrower?!

[plasmoid]

Yes

[daloonieshaman]

would accurate be the more appropriate passing skill? +1 to pass
v/s
Safe throw (no INT's)

[Grumbledook]

not if you have -28 to the roll ;]

but generally accurate is more useful

[khudzlin]

safe throw is an ag roll, so it fails on a 1, even with ag6

conclusion ag6 is no better than ag5 for passing

[dodolulu]

with lrb5 version of safe throw, ag6 seems in fact really pointless but the experimental safe throw gives throwers at least a little incentive to go to ag6.
kinda strange since i think thats the key-stat for throwers.