All about Dark Elves

[El Hombre]

no really, this should be made easier accessible in some way. Sticky seems bridge too far, but anyway...

[nerdkingdan]

I have a new dark elf team that got a -AG on the blitzer. Should I retire him? For that matter what do you all think about stat losses and when they mean the end of the dark elf?

[AK_Dave]

Depends on the rest of the team and the makeup. I rely on my Blitzers as primary scoring machines, but I have several of them. I also use Runners. So one Blitzer with -AG would simply become a Blocker. He wouldn't be a go-to guy for TDs. His progression would be essentially peaked. I wouldn't fire him because I would look to throw him into hazard where he'd kill himself in the line of duty.

But in a brand new DE team, firing him might drop the team below 11 players. I'd fire him, drop the team below 11, work on Journey LineElfs, save my pennies, and hire a fresh one later on.

[El Hombre]

I'd retire him in most cases. The clue of the elves is AG4; every player can handle the ball, can dodge,...

unless ofcourse he has a multitude of skills and has become the cornerstone of your team...

[Smeborg]

You can always put the AG3 Blitzer on the LoS in defense, and retire him as and when appropriate.

AG3 Elves can be quite fluffy. I had an AG3 Pro-Elf lineman who lost an AG. So I called him Hobgoblin Bob (same stats...). Indestructible on the line of scrimmage, he eventually got Guard, and was a favourite target for the opposition. He remained indestructible, though... Made for good reporting.

Cheers

[stashman]

I have a new dark elf team that got a -AG on the blitzer. Should I retire him? For that matter what do you all think about stat losses and when they mean the end of the dark elf?

So he is as worthless as a fresh human blitzer is

Do he have any spp?

I would keep him and use him as an extreme defensive player on LOS.

He comes with Block, then Dodge will be next (or Side Step if there is tackle heavy teams around), then Fend.

If he gets +AV take it and let him be even more tough on the LOS.

And as Smeborg says: It's fluffy! That blitzer maybe survives very long and then he will be a veteran limp cool player!

Keep Him!!! Make a lineman take his place with Sure Feet and then same movement (okey, almost )

[nerdkingdan]

To answer everyone's questions it was only game 2 with the team,

I went with 4 blitzers, 1 runner 2 Rerolls approach.

The -1 AG player has only 2 SPP.

If I drop him then I would be saving up to buy him a second time, the same poor blitzer died earlier in the game was saved by the apothecary, only to come back out and get smacked by another ogre. I see why as I develope I'll destroy an ogre team, but 2 fresh teams, their wasn't alot to do to an ogre cage. 3 dice blocks on snotling with dodge and sidestep was not as successful as I had hoped. Especially when I was down 3 players right off the bat before they even got to move off the LOS. I lost in over time due to a failed hand off, and me being reduced to 0 players on the pitch. Leaving the game only 1 serious injury was pure luck.

I failed over 60% of my 2+ dodges. I attempted only 8 and failed 6 of them. I failed many pickups as well as sprints, I've become famous overnight for being the king of rolling 1s. You may be asking why I only tried 8 dodges, well because It wasn't my turn due to all those turn overs. I did very well in making my easy moves before trying 2+ dodges or it would have been much worse.

I'm getting i should keep the -1 AG blitzer and put money to a witch elf or two. Or possibly picking up a journeyman who gets a skill increase. Especially when I can't dodge any way who cares if I have 3 or 4 agility a 1 still fails.

[Jural]

Keep him, it's more important to get your witches, 3 re-rolls, and 13+ players than it is to worry about whether AG 3 is a problem.

I would develop him to be a safety,if need be. Tackle, Diving Tackle, Side Step, maybe Pass Block- those types of skills. Doubles would be well spent on Mighty Blow.

Once you have a single witch and 3 re-rolls, look over your team and consider if he is hurting you or not before moving forward.

[mattgslater]

I think he'd make a good inside linebacker. Get him Side Step, then stop worrying about him and let him deter your opponents at the point of attack until he dies. Make sure to get a good bookend inside LB for him though....

[TeflonDon]

Excellent thread - with at least two interesting topics:-)

I've been especially interested in how you all deal with assassins - I've been wondering whether or not to get one as the fourteenth player for a my reasonably developed Dark Elf tem.

My conclusion (mainly based on experimenting with different lineups during an extremely tedious course I sat through yesterday) is that I'll wait and get a sixth lineman. The reason is that I've been a little slow on skilling up my linemen, and that I've been lucky with doubles, giving me two guards.

However, I don't want to put both my guards on the line (at least not until they get other skills to keep them alive), and as another lineman is my kicker I need a sixth one to stand on the LoS.

[TeflonDon]

By the way, does anybody have experience using asymetric setups on defence with Dark Elves?

The reason I ask is that I play a guy who has had some succes setting up his High Elves with the three players on the LoS placed to the far right or left. He then kicks deep in the opposite corner and gets his positionals between the ball and the opponents near the LoS.

I'm not certain it will work with DEs though, as they are a little slower, and also a bit better suited to simply prevent to opposition from moving downfield. Any thoughts?

[s031720]

Made a sorely need clean up.

[Smeborg]

TeflonDon - I'm currently experimenting with Assassins in a league setting. They are asymetric players, in that they thrive on low armour, and struggle against AV9. But what I like especially about them is that opponents hate them, and waste a lot of energy trying to take them out. I think this brings quite an advantage to the DEs. They are difficult to skill up. I think they work well in pairs. But I would hesitate to take Assassins and Runners - too much undefended AV7.

The DE's MA of 7 is relatively slow for an AG4 side. Although only one less than MA8, it does make the side significantly slower than the other Elven teams. When playing DE's, I always find I am one point of MA short for what I want to do! This does have some effect on their potency in counter-attack. For this reason, I like to take +MA on the MA7 players.

All the best, and let us know how you get on.

[s031720]

TeflonDon
When Ive got kick I like to use assymetrical defence. I put my three linemen one way, and a good ball retriever the other way and watch as he sets up his offence. Then I kick short if he sets up weak on the other side from my LOS, if he sets up as usual, I kick short in front of my LOS, If he does a good coverage despite the assymetrical defence, I kick deep, on the other side from my LOS.

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[Uldreg]

Wow, this is a great topic. Tons of great information. I was wondering, is there a specific topic about some of the defenses refered to here? I am trying to solidify my defense in general, and noted some users refrenced certain defensive setups that i didn't see diagramed here. Thanks for the help. EDIT. Found one in new Concepts. No need to tell me how stupid i am.