Puzzled Frenzy

High & Mighty · Post by **High & Mighty** » Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:53 pm

O could go into any of the squares there except for F, since he is standing there. First O must decide where he is sidestepping and then F would follow up and take the second frenzied block (unless this was PBEM).

But really, there wouldn't be alot of incentive for O to go anywhere on the first block except to a sideline square, since this would ensure the second frenzied block would place F on the sideline, while O could use sidestep to get one square off the sideline (and even pull the old switheroo, leaving F on the sideline and O directly to the right, ready to push F into the crowd on the next turn...how's that for mean.)

slackman · Post by **slackman** » Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:43 pm

| . .
|x.O.F
| . .

you're assuming F is pushing O, right? well, what the hell is x doing here?

how about:

| . .
|O.F.
| . .

i think that's the diagram relating correctly to your question.

O gets to choose any square they'd like to go to, instead of out of bounds, but they still must choose BEFORE F decides to follow up. this is the case w/ ANY instance of a pushback, regardless of whether or not they have side step. on a pushback of any kind, the square the player is pushed to is designated before the follow-up. side step merely allows the pushed player to choose any unoccupied square adjacent to them.

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Post by **Dave** » Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:48 pm

Agree but the thing is F can't 'decide' to follow up, he MUST. That's one of teh drawbacks of Frenzy.

In this case it doesn't really matters when O decides to sidestep where.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Sat Jan 18, 2003 4:09 am

High & Mighty wrote:.But really, there wouldn't be alot of incentive for O to go anywhere on the first block except to a sideline square, since this would ensure the second frenzied block would place F on the sideline, while O could use sidestep to get one square off the sideline (and even pull the old switheroo, leaving F on the sideline and O directly to the right, ready to push F into the crowd on the next turn...how's that for mean.)

Can't pull a switcheroo since O gets pushed before F follows up. You're gonna need another player to get F into the crowd.

High & Mighty · Post by **High & Mighty** » Sat Jan 18, 2003 6:31 am

snotsngrots wrote: Can't pull a switcheroo since O gets pushed before F follows up. You're gonna need another player to get F into the crowd.

Sure you can:

Start (O has sidestep; F has frenzy and is blocking)
|1.2.3
|4.O.F
|7.8.9

First block of O
|O.2.3
|4.F.6
|7.8.9

Second frenzied block of o
|F.O.3
|4.5.6
|7.8.9

So O is now in position to block F off the pitch in the next turn.

Post by **Dave** » Sat Jan 18, 2003 7:52 am

YES!! and I happen to like that tactic

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Sat Jan 18, 2003 2:24 pm

Ahhh, yes. You said a sideline square. I saw it as the one directly behind him. I was tired last night. You are absolutely correct.

ZanzerTem · Post by **ZanzerTem** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 9:35 pm

This is why you never ever try to push a Sidestepper off of the field. Because it is really hard to do

The only way to do it is if all available squares ar occupied, like so:

X - Random Player
O- Sidestepping Victim
F- Frenzied Blocker

|
|XX
|OF
|XX
|

The only available option is for the sidestepper to visit the crowd

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Munkey · Post by **Munkey** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 1:19 pm

IMO this is one of the main benefit of sidestep, it allows players to use the sideline squares with impunity where most players tend to avoid them.

dakkakhan · Post by **dakkakhan** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 10:38 pm

I love it! My normal team is Orks so I haven't used sidestep much. Boy is my regular Norse opponent gonna hate me next time he plays my WE's.