"Get the ref" with IGMEOY.. and scattered pass.

Sbloop · Post by **Sbloop** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 4:36 am

Hi! this is my first post on this board.. it's been a while i come visit, and always finded anwers to my questions in searching in the old treads, but this time, surprinsigly, i came out with nothing... surely it have eben answered somewhere, but anyway...

1) Suppose that player A "get the ref". Now player B have "IGMEOY". Now if player A foul someone, it' sure that he will not be send off the game, but those it put back the ref as neutral (meaning player B will be sent off on a foul on oly a 1) or the +2 still applies????

2) I read somewhere that on a scattered pass, as soon as the ball goes out on the 3 dice shots, the ball is considered out in the crowd. I don't know, but the 3 dice rolls don't follow the ball, but only a random way to decide where the pass is landing (meaning that the ball can go out on the 2nd roll and come back in the 3rd roll, without any fans been able to catch the ball and sending it back into play with 2d6). It's not 3 separate bouncing ball...

Thanks!

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 5:29 am

For the igmeoy, if one team gets the ref and fouls and then the team who doesn't get the ref fouls, they get the ref watching them. The last team to foul will always get the ref watching them until the other team fouls or the half ends. Even if you have got the ref he will still be watching you, he just won't do anything enabling the other team to foul without the +2.

Yes for second point roll all 3 scatters, its the 3rd roll where the ball lands, so even if it goes out on the second and the 3rd roll brings it back in then the crowd don't play a part in it at all.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:59 am

'Dook, I think the rule is as soon as it leaves the pitch it's out of bounds, JJ answered it somewhere, as it makes it easier than having to count imaginary squares.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 3:18 pm

Darkson's right there was a Q&A or something that said there are no squares off the pitch. As soon as it scatters out, it's out, there's no chance of the other rolls bringing it back in.

OTR, I think you should roll all 3. Like our new friend pointed out, it's the last roll that indicates where the ball ended up, the 1st two don't really mean anything, the ball was never actually there. It seems JJ forgot this when he answered the question.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 3:42 pm

Yep, as soon as it goes out of bounds the crowd have it.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 5:52 pm

snotsngrots wrote:OTR, I think you should roll all 3. Like our new friend pointed out, it's the last roll that indicates where the ball ended up, the 1st two don't really mean anything, the ball was never actually there. It seems JJ forgot this when he answered the question.

Well, I'm not sure about other ball sports, but in football (soccer) the balls out of play as soon as it crosses the side/goal line plane, even if it "bends" back into play. I imagine this is way JJ ruled it like this (and for the ease as he stated).

Sbloop · Post by **Sbloop** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 9:59 pm

Darkson wrote:
snotsngrots wrote:OTR, I think you should roll all 3. Like our new friend pointed out, it's the last roll that indicates where the ball ended up, the 1st two don't really mean anything, the ball was never actually there. It seems JJ forgot this when he answered the question.
Well, I'm not sure about other ball sports, but in football (soccer) the balls out of play as soon as it crosses the side/goal line plane, even if it "bends" back into play. I imagine this is way JJ ruled it like this (and for the ease as he stated).

But it's not like the ball is really crossing the line. The pass don't land on the target to then bounce 3 times. The pass is not on target, and we throw the dice 3 times to see where it will end... not to see what trajectory the ball is doing...

Angus McKee · Post by **Angus McKee** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 12:11 am

On an inaccurate pass, you stop rolling scatter the moment one of the results indicates a "square" in the crowd. It's an (over)simplification of an abstraction, but it is meant to remove any ambiguity.

Angus "The Dean" McKee