BBMag #5 Secret Weapons

darthnoir · Post by **darthnoir** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:38 pm

As far as Goblin secret weapons go, can they be used on Chaos Pact and Orc teams? Or, are the Goblin secret weapons exclusive to Goblin rosters.

neoliminal · Post by **neoliminal** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 10:11 pm

That's up to your local commish. Since the Chaos Pact teams aren't official yet, they weren't covered. If you need a spot call, I'd say the players can get the SW they could normally get on their normal rosters.

darthnoir · Post by **darthnoir** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:34 pm

A few coaches in my league have tried a few games with these new rules, and found a concern with them. A Rat Ogre armed with a Poisoned Dagger has a "way out" of a bad block situation due to Wild Animal. We've house ruled that Big Guys can not have Secret Weapons.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:46 pm

darthnoir wrote:A few coaches in my league have tried a few games with these new rules, and found a concern with them. A Rat Ogre armed with a Poisoned Dagger has a "way out" of a bad block situation due to Wild Animal. We've house ruled that Big Guys can not have Secret Weapons.

Actually I cannot remember whether I talked to JKL or not, but I think its entirely reasonable to say that the fact that the team has access does not extend to the Big Guys the team is allowed to have.

IE ... when my league adopts these rules next season (2 1/2 months from now) ... Big Guys will not be able to get Secret Weapons only rostered players.

In addition, we plan on using JKL's suggestion above for the Chaos Pact, Old World, and Lustrian. The player can have the weapon if he could have it on his normal race's team.

Galak

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:08 pm

That sounds quite reasonable Galak, I would be in favour of not allowing BGs to have SWs as they are not regular players on the team.

gallowin · Post by **gallowin** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 5:39 am

What's the rationale in only the old teams being allowed secret weapons?

I figured to see a Norse Chainsaw or Skink Poison Dagger.

neoliminal · Post by **neoliminal** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 6:44 am

darthnoir wrote:A few coaches in my league have tried a few games with these new rules, and found a concern with them. A Rat Ogre armed with a Poisoned Dagger has a "way out" of a bad block situation due to Wild Animal. We've house ruled that Big Guys can not have Secret Weapons.

Then you've mis-read the rules. Big Guys are not on the rosters of these teams, so they are NOT allowed to use secret weapons.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 12:54 pm

gallowin wrote:What's the rationale in only the old teams being allowed secret weapons?

I figured to see a Norse Chainsaw or Skink Poison Dagger.

Posted a list of extra teams that Neo said sounded reasonable. Neo tried to only use past and present BB figs when the list for the teams was made.

The expanded list was:

Ball and Chain: Skaven
Chainsaw: Amazon, Khemri, Necromantic, Norse, Nurgle's Rotters
Poisoned Dagger: Amazon, Chaos Dwarf, Human, Lizardmen

Galak

Sushé Wakka · Post by **Sushé Wakka** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 9:44 pm

I haven't got the magazine in my hands (and I doubt I can get it here in Galicia), but I thougth that Dwarfs already were allowed to use the Blundberbuss (you know, the Barik Farblast figure).
Oh, and the jezzail should be removed from the Skaven roster anyway. It's another extra bonus they don't need.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 9:52 pm

Sushé Wakka wrote:I haven't got the magazine in my hands (and I doubt I can get it here in Galicia), but I thougth that Dwarfs already were allowed to use the Blundberbuss (you know, the Barik Farblast figure).
Oh, and the jezzail should be removed from the Skaven roster anyway. It's another extra bonus they don't need.

I'd have to agree with this. Too much speed really to allow the team the weapon.

Galak

Stu · Post by **Stu** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 11:20 pm

So can Goblins on Orc teams take Bombs, Pogo Sticks etc. or not?
Can Hobgoblins take weapons available to the Chaos Dwarf race?
What about Bull Centaurs and Black Orcs?

Also, why does the Pogo Stick remove all racial characteristics? I'm guessing it's to take away right stuff.

Should the Deathroller also add Stand firm?

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 11:32 pm

Stu wrote:So can Goblins on Orc teams take Bombs, Pogo Sticks etc. or not?
Can Hobgoblins take weapons available to the Chaos Dwarf race?
What about Bull Centaurs and Black Orcs?

Also, why does the Pogo Stick remove all racial characteristics? I'm guessing it's to take away right stuff.

Should the Deathroller also add Stand firm?

No Goblins are Orc cannot take weapons that Orc cannot.
Hobgoblins can have any weapon the Chaos Dwarf team is allowed.
Bull Centaurs can have CD weapons.
Black Orcs can have Orc weapons.

Yes to the answer on the Pogo Stick.
Yes on the Deathroller for Stand Firm also (IMO)

Galak

Stu · Post by **Stu** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 11:42 pm

So really, where the article says race it would be clearer to say team.

The reason I ask about the Pogo Stick is that it also removes stunty, allowing the player to throw the ball properly and avoid the injury modifier. As the rules for stunty already say how it works when carrying a weapon, shouldn't the Pogo Stick just remove right stuff?

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:04 am

Stu wrote:So really, where the article says race it would be clearer to say team.

The reason I ask about the Pogo Stick is that it also removes stunty, allowing the player to throw the ball properly and avoid the injury modifier. As the rules for stunty already say how it works when carrying a weapon, shouldn't the Pogo Stick just remove right stuff?

Yup, I'd have to agree that that is a good catch.

Galak

Sushé Wakka · Post by **Sushé Wakka** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:47 pm

Hold on; the Orc team can freeboot Scrappa Sorehead (the pogo sticker). Shouldn't Goblins in the Orc roster be allowed to equip pogo sticks as well?
I think it would be better if there were listed players that can get the weapon instead of teams (I mean, Blunderbusses are supposed to be carried by Chaos Dwarf Blockers, and Trollslayers shouldn't drive a Deathroller - I know that the last one is a bad example, but I hope my point is made clear).