I cant be bothered to tread down this road again and again but this -
One thing which does frustrate me (and this is not aimed at you, garion) is that the moment someone sees something they think of as wrong or different about a ruleset such that they don't like it in the context they are using it in (eg MM or B), they say the rules are broken. The rules work perfectly well in the format for which they were designed: tournament and league play. Adding metarules such as TV-based MM will change how the main rules interact. If you must use such metarules then be aware that the effect of the main rules may change and be prepared to house rule them (which is actually what this thread is about). Don't, however, start complaining that the whole ruleset is wrong when it has been playtested and works just fine in context.
Is just wrong, it really frustrates me that everytime anyone says anything is bad about the rules everyone here says it is fine in league and tourney play just not Black box or MM etc...
Who said anything about those divisions. Not me. The same problems exist in leagues, also Ranked works exactly as the rule book says it should for open leagues, with people having the option to avoid games if they like etc... People are able to play up and down TV matches are not matched. But the same problems exist.
Yes I play mainly on fumbbl, and the large numbers are the amount of very experienced coaches that have just disapeared all together or are no longer playing more than a game or two a week when they used to play a game or two every day, and have said they are bored, coem read the blogs and forums, the site is flooded with this negativity constantly. By hugely experienced I mean people that have played thousands and tens of thousands of games of bloodbowl and great coaches i mean people with win percentages in 70% + or people that we just all know are very very good coaches. Also Christer who said he would never deviate from the official rules as he doesn't want a house ruled site etc... said he did feel something was wrong, and maybe someday something would chang (or somethin along those lines), I don't think he will change anything, but that it even crossed his mind screams to me that there is something very wrong. If you know the guy at all you will no how much of big deal that statement is.
As for turning down doubles/stats, I've not seen that outside of the ridiculousness which is TV-based MM. Remove that mechanic and you remove the issue.
That's just not true, to make the best most efficient team in a league - ignoring stats and doubles is still the way to go especially for CPOMB teams.
A lot of the rest is an anti-CPOMB rant. There is no evidence whatsoever that CPOMB wins games, leagues, championships or whatever. Please actually provide some before telling people you "think" it is wrong. The 58% quoted is a wonderful misuse of a statistic - it's only 58% if you are using PO whether AV breaks or not, otherwise it's ~44%. I could go on, but this is an entrenched argument between people who do and do not see an issue with this particular combo.
No its not, you miss the point entirely. I said I don't mind the combo but it is too easy to get, you should have to roll doubles. But it is also brainless, my point also being that it focuses the game on luck more than skill, relying on hyper bash and hyper agile tactics to win games rather than good positional play and I know it doesn't auto win games all the time, the problems are the same with Elves and their combos. Its just become hyper elf play or hyper bash play to win, then the teams in the middle have really suffered, Humans, lizardmen etc...
It's also not a missuse of the stat, you can just pile on regardless, just as many many people do and then they have a 58% chance of removing a player form the pitch. Jimmy Fantastic won a tournament (where this ruleset is meant to work) with a CPOMB nurgle team, he has said many times that the only reason he won was because CPOMB was too effective and he had 4 players with it. I think he is a good coach, he believes he isn't, but I would have to agree that I doubt he would win a tournament with any other race.
But anyway, I'm not going to go through this again and again, in my opinion and in many other peoples opinion, people whos opinion I would value very very highly in regards to this game, this is a very poor rule set in comparison to LRB4. It does have some very good points and some very nice additions but all of it is made moot by the problems i have highlighted and more.
