Narrow Tiers and Galaks Wish List

[garion]

*The halfling dryads were not popular on the forums. I thought a stunty team with a bit of a passing game would be very interesting to play. Sigh. I've previously had halflings at AV8 (5238, as a mirror of the gobbo 6237), but that didn't go over well either. Double sigh. I've decided to go another route entirely: Scratch the dryads, and give them a rostered master chef (on top of the ability to induce one). It will certainly make playing against the Flings a unique experience.

I have a question, how much is the rostered master chef going to cost? Is it going to be 100 k like the other one, because if so it begs the question, is there any need for it? The only difference it would give you really is less vesatility with your inducments, unless it is free and just a fling special rule. In which case let me play them next tourney

Other feedback. Ogres still need more please give them 2 more Ogres as well they will still suck.

Khemri - just get rid of decay and give thick skull to their positionals is enough. Break Tackle is too much imo.
edit: you could also make there RR a little cheaper so they could have a better starter roster.

zons, Is a short term nerf I think which isnt such a bad thing. But I think it makes them worse in the long run because it gets rid of their bash unless the blitzers double up and get block as well at some point.

[plasmoid]

Hi again Graeme,

Re: Gobbo Secret Weapons.
I don't think it would help them at all. Might even lead a poor sucker or two down a path of misery. It's just more players sent off, and gobbos are already struggling with dwindling numbers (cas' and send offs). If you also added a penalty roll mechanic, like you've been talking about, then perhaps it could work. But it would start to be a pretty extensive re-write.

Re: Ogres
I do think the ogre team is better than it's reputation. But they don't play like any other team.
I've seriously considered giving them a normal TZ - but with dodging everywhere on a 2+(rr) it might make their defense a bit easy...(?)
Certainly it would require testing.
At least the 6136 snot I've suggested as faster and more durable - that's 2 of the tings you mention

Re: TTM
One word: Orcs.
Reliable OTS-TTM on an orc team is just asking for trouble.

But generally, I don't think that games where the stunty team just tries for the TTM all the time is all that interesting.
That's why I like the '+1 to landing without the ball'. You get help with all the awesome and clever stuff that TTM can do. Not just the straight scoring... Though you could throw a guy ahead, and then run up and hand-off to him and have him run into the EZ. Fairly clever

Re: PO
Well, I think all version of PO makes the player prone.
As it happens, it's very often worth it

Cheers
Martin

[plasmoid]

Hi Garion,

I have a question, how much is the rostered master chef going to cost? Is it going to be 100 k like the other one, because if so it begs the question, is there any need for it? The only difference it would give you really is less vesatility with your inducments, unless it is free and just a fling special rule. In which case let me play them next tourney

100k each.
IMO, stealing some rerolls isn't a big deal. Especially (but not exclusively) in late development that's really all the Chef does.
Now - stealing all rerolls is a lot more potent.
Rolling 6 dice for stealing rerolls will be a threat to the reliability of a lot of teams.

I still like the thought of some P-skills on the halfling team. But it seems I fairly alone on that

Other feedback. Ogres still need more please give them 2 more Ogres as well they will still suck.

Let's see.
I've won a playtest tournament with just the MA6 change. Against a guy with a very suspicious record mind you.
Probably a fluke, but I'd like to see how some of this pans out, before I add on anything else. In the playtest tournament, with half of what is suggested here, the ogres have 1 win, 1 loss.

Khemri - just get rid of decay and give thick skull to their positionals is enough. Break Tackle is too much imo.

It certainly is simpler. It's just still such a boring team to play.
I know you think BT is too much.
I've just seen nothing to support that.

zons, Is a short term nerf I think which isnt such a bad thing. But I think it makes them worse in the long run because it gets rid of their bash unless the blitzers double up and get block as well at some point.

Hmmm...
As you know, I asked you, Alster and Niebling about this, and got completely different replies.
So I guess I'll wave to try it out for real.
But - do think the wrestle thing is a short term nerf. Good.
In the medium term, I think it evens out. Before, the team was blodge blitzers and wrodge on everyone else.
Now they'll be wrodge blitzers and blodge on everyone else.
In the long term, I think the access to sidestep (and to a lesser extent jump up) will make a huge difference. Blodge sidesetp on lots of cheap players can be a nightmare to play against.
That's how it looks in my head anyway

Cheers
Martin

[garion]

But will side step no just be ignored for Fend anyway, as zons are probably the best team in the game for spamming fend at the moment along with norse. Then after fend I guess Side Step would be take on all linemen but that would be 3 rd skill which I would suggest a lot of them will not reach because of the deep bench they usually have and the focus on skilling blitzers up as much as possible.

But anyway, look forward to seeing how they pan out.

Flings - cool, 6 rr chef rolls is nice certainly. If you want to have a look at some other playtested fling rosters here is a nice selection, you may get some ideas - http://www.sg.tacticalwargames.net/fanatic/84hhab.pdf
As for P skills, yeah your own your own there

Khemri yeah boy are they dull, at least they are till you get some ditry player en masse and a deep bench, which still works quite nicely even in this massivley nefred DP rule set. Do you know if anyon has been trying to dodge TGs into cages yet in this tourney, because that is certainly a tactc I would employ. If not give the guy thats playing them a nudge for me, unless they are in my Lizardman group hehe

Edit: and yeah that Ogre game is definately a fluke lol Also if you want to speak to the best Ogre coach I have ever seen speak to Vicius on fumbbl I think his opinion would be interesting. Just send him a PM I'm sure he would be ahppy to oblige.

[zebulon]

And what did you thought about using a bribe for winning automatically the toss? (after rolling a 2+ naturally).

When playing Gobbos, with the 50K bribe, I find this team really better when attacking at first.

After all, any teams, for me, are able to corrupt a referee before the game begin. Seems to be fluff, isn't it?

[garion]

And what did you thought about using a bribe for winning automatically the toss? (after rolling a 2+ naturally).

When playing Gobbos, with the 50K bribe, I find this team really better when attacking at first.

After all, any teams, for me, are able to corrupt a referee before the game begin. Seems to be fluff, isn't it?

No way, winning the toss is HUGE now at a high TV, CPOMB vs CPOMB match ups are often decided by the toss. If palmed coin was an inducement it would need to be 200k.

But I do get where you are coming from, because goblins benefit hugely from winning the toss if they dont they can be in real trouble when playing elves. The elves will either score quickly if you have all your weapons on and then they all get sent off quickly, or they do enough damage to your team then score in turn 8 so you are forced to field your star players for only 1 turn. Its nasty. Best solution to this ... bring back secret weapon rolls.

[uuni]

Garion mentioned the palmed coin inducement, so I would like to remind that the palmed coin is currently integrated into Team Anthem card: J of diamonds, 100k Good Karma (p60 CRP):

J (of diamonds): TEAM ANTHEM

Description: The crowd today is really out in full fanatic support. Their cheers and encouragement for your team and abuse for the referees and the opposing team really have set the stage for your team to do their best (including bribing the ref for the coin toss).

Timing: Play during the pre-game after all inducements are purchased.

Effect:Your team automatically wins the coin toss to kick or receive without flipping the coin. In addition, your team receives an additional +2 modifier to your FAME (see page 18) for any Kick-Off table result for this match but not for the winnings roll.

[garion]

Garion mentioned the palmed coin inducement, so I would like to remind that the palmed coin is currently integrated into Team Anthem card: J of diamonds, 100k Good Karma (p60 CRP):

J (of diamonds): TEAM ANTHEM

Description: The crowd today is really out in full fanatic support. Their cheers and encouragement for your team and abuse for the referees and the opposing team really have set the stage for your team to do their best (including bribing the ref for the coin toss).

Timing: Play during the pre-game after all inducements are purchased.

Effect:Your team automatically wins the coin toss to kick or receive without flipping the coin. In addition, your team receives an additional +2 modifier to your FAME (see page 18) for any Kick-Off table result for this match but not for the winnings roll.

Yup but you can't pick it which is why it is so cheap, you randomly select the card from a deck.

[Glamdryn]

To address this issue of having all your positionals sent off for gobbos, we use the following rule for Secret Weapon.

If a player has Secret Weapon they are not forced to take the field if the coach cannot field 11 players.

[legowarrior]

For Halflings, a third Tree would be more of a fun option to me.

[dsavillian]

For Halflings, a third Tree would be more of a fun option to me.

Keep a low TV and induce Deeproot

[legowarrior]

And what if you format doesn't allow for star players? Or you play box?

[dsavillian]

And what if you format doesn't allow for star players? Or you play box?

then clearly, deeproot isn't an option!

That just seems to be the popular choice in the circles I roll in.

[neverworking]

For Halflings, a third Tree would be more of a fun option to me.

Keep a low TV and induce Deeproot

Won't this be a little harder, especially early in a league, with the new bank rules?

[dode74]

Why? You can make the 600TV team and use the 300 of the 400k you have in the bank on Deeproot, using the 100 you'll get in inducements on the chef. Thatleaves you with 100k in the bank, and t's not like 'flings are expensive