Galak's LRB7 test rules coming to FUMMBL

[Chris]

Well that thread is how to play with bigger squads and the effects under the current rules rather than a look to the future.

I think as I was knew to things me talking about it and TV in particular to those chaps might have given them certain impressions...

Certainly I skipped LRB 5 and came straight from lrb (mostly 3 but I think I used 4 a couple of times) so a lot of CRP is different, but I do like it.

I have found the situation where my old 'bloated teams' with deep benches have been done over like kippers by the new system. I would face bash teams especially that would quickly dominate a drive then stall while killing me. Certainly I would come back at full strength, but then I was just a bunch of rookies about to get beat. Far better to go in with a TV dissadvantage and get a merc big guy (by far I think the best inducement, then again I seem to use the wizard poorly) to get a spare man or two and some strength. Indeed the wood/dark elf game last night was a good laugh for the woodies with a merc multiple block treeman.


And who is this man I am apparently ghost written by? I demand satisfaction on the field. So if you have the cyanide game I am The_Real_Chris on it

[garion]

Anyway. I have finished, here are my rules below.

Still a couple of minor details to iron out, like the new star player costs and the re-pricing of one or two any help here would be appreaciated. Also I'm still not sure what to do with Dwarves so will probably leave alone. Amazons have changed a lot but need feedback and I'm still not sure about them either.

Enjoy and feedback please

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and they are saying you are cbbakke, I think they were refering to the fact that you were spamming many different topics/threads with the same question, it was a joke. Don't worry about it

[koadah]

And who is this man I am apparently ghost written by? I demand satisfaction on the field. So if you have the cyanide game I am The_Real_Chris on it

If you are really not cbbakke then you wouldn't be frightened of meeting on Fumbbl.
We might even let you use the house rules that started this thread.

Sign up by Friday night if you think you can handle it!

[plasmoid]

If your TV was being increased by your petty cash and you knew you were playing a team that were going to induce a wizard you could use your petty cash to get one aswell without giving your opponent more inducements as a result.

Eh?
To be clear, Bank replaces the petty cash rule completely.

So, say, you're playing against an underdog opponent TV 175 vs 190 - so he'll get a wizard.
You could - in the postgame - put 150K in your treasury (not bank)
You'd then have TV 205.
You could blow your cash on a wizard. Or not. Either way he'd get the 30 points as inducements.

Cheers
Martin

Oh, but I'm glad to finally see someone coming out saying the wiz is a bit cheap.
As you know, I suggested that if bash should take a nerf in NTBB, then the wizard should also take a nerf.
(As it is now, I think the wizard is a reasonably fair weapon against megabash)

[cbbakke]

And who is this man I am apparently ghost written by? I demand satisfaction on the field. So if you have the cyanide game I am The_Real_Chris on it

If you are really not cbbakke then you wouldn't be frightened of meeting on Fumbbl.
We might even let you use the house rules that started this thread.

Sign up by Friday night if you think you can handle it!

and this is moving the thread forward how? On topic how? I don't need to have two accounts to post. I am not afraid of saying something to people's face.

back on topic:
I think the hard thing about discussing blood bowl is that the game is so complex that it is hard to talk about one issue in a bubble because so many things are inner twined and effect each other. Garion, do you have a game plan in mind for play testing?

[plasmoid]

Hey Cbbakke,
I think he was implying that if you posted from 2 accounts your opnions would seem twice as widespread.
I don't think he was implying that you didn't speak your mind.
Cheers
Martin

[plasmoid]

Hi Voyagers_uk,
I think you asked for a recap of sorts.
I'll post one in my NTBB thread soonish.
Cheers
Martin

[dode74]

Actually I see his point, at higher TV some teams do need subs and skills (often stats and doubles) to compete. Mainly the hybrid teams suffer from this as they will be more likely to have redundant skills versus more specialised teams and really struggle when down on players.

Well there is a greater than 50% chance of rolling a double every fourth skillup, and a greater than 60% chance of rolling either a double or stat every third skillup (do the math and you'll see I'm right!). If by high TV you mean 1800+ then I'd assess that as being a 13-14 man team with all/most positionals, an apoth if available and 3-4 rerolls. Looking at a humans that would be 4 blitzers, 1 thrower, 2 catchers, 1 ogre, 6 linemen, 4 RR and an apoth at a total cost of 1260TV, leaving ~600TV for skills. To me that's 20-25 skills, of which ~70% will be normal rolls, so 14-16 of them, with the remaining 6-9 being stats or doubles on average. That could be quite nice.
I'm not saying that humans are a good high TV team, by any stretch. What I am saying is that those stats/doubles aren't that hard to come by - it sometimes just seems that way.

They also tend to have players that need skills to be useful.

Most teams do. One of the better high TV teams is in exactly that situation.

It’s pretty dispiriting to be facing a team that has 11 players as good as yours or better but is also getting inducements.

That's what fouling is for. I like facing teams with few players, personally - gaps in the line are a good thing!

The other issue is that TV efficiency makes teams less interesting and you end up taking the same limited skills over and over. +MA on a Black Orc or Zombie 3rd skill was a viable option in LRB4 now I’d not take it and would consider firing the zombie if there were others with block already.

Maybe true in a TV-based matchmaker, but is that true in a league? As to +MA on a BOB, I doubt I'd take it under either set of rules. There are far more important things he can take in order to be able to do his job, imo.

Edit - aaargh - we're back off topic again. Sorry

[koadah]

and this is moving the thread forward how? On topic how? I don't need to have two accounts to post. I am not afraid of saying something to people's face.

Well, I did link to a league where we are actually using the rules mentioned in the OP. That's maybe more on topic than talking about a completely different set of rules.

[cbbakke]

Hey Cbbakke,
I think he was implying that if you posted from 2 accounts your opnions would seem twice as widespread.
I don't think he was implying that you didn't speak your mind.
Cheers
Martin

Maybe that is something he would rely on, but it is a form of lying. If people would have their mind switched by having two accounts say it then I am not too worried about their opinions in truth. It is the people who have thought the issues out in depth is the ones I care about.

[cbbakke]

[snip]

Edit - aaargh - we're back off topic again. Sorry

But Dodes, the other person can have a 13 player roster and you can have a full roster. His team on pitch is going to be far stronger which is going to reduce yoru chance of getting his people off the pitch and increase the chance you need your deep bench.

[Edit] cbbakke - please don't quote large posts verbatim - snip them like above - goes for everyone else too thanks - Darkson

[dode74]

Sounds like a tactical decision to me.

Can we get back to garion's rules?

[koadah]

Hey Cbbakke,
I think he was implying that if you posted from 2 accounts your opnions would seem twice as widespread.
I don't think he was implying that you didn't speak your mind.

Maybe that is something he would rely on, but it is a form of lying. If people would have their mind switched by having two accounts say it then I am not too worried about their opinions in truth. It is the people who have thought the issues out in depth is the ones I care about.

It's a joke dude. Remember those? You're getting ribbed for channelling every thread you take part in towards the same two topics.

But Dodes, the other person can have a 13 player roster and you can have a full roster. His team on pitch is going to be far stronger which is going to reduce yoru chance of getting his people off the pitch and increase the chance you need your deep bench.

That's the game dude. It's different to the previous game. You don't need a 16 man squad unless they are going to add value.
My human team is currently 12 players including 3 catchers. I've a stash of cash and I'll buy another lino but with TV matching there is just no point padding your roster with players that don't add real value and may rarely get on the field.

This is purely a preference thing. Some prefer the old rules and some the new.

[cbbakke]

I agree it "is the game" right now. That is the problem imo. It is not a flexible option of team management that people are trying to make it. It is THE GAME.

[dode74]

To quote Koadah:

Some prefer the old rules and some the new.