Mass Shadowing

[stashman]

It's worth an experiment. My only major change is to agree with Spubbba about shadowing on a golem. How many movement 4 players dodge away from a FG? In my experience, the MV 4 ones are the ones that just punch it! I'd take tackle or something instead, and preferably one that helps you lock down the positioning. How does fend work on a FG? (stand firm the -2ds, keep away from the people who are killered up)

I'll try for the last time to explain the shadowing skill, but I really don't think that you read my point in shadowing.

It's about shadowing a MA4 black or or dwarf in the opponents blocking phase! Do you get it?

Lets say a black orc blocks a zombie and follows up, then you sneak by and shadow the orc and take his square. It can help other players with guard and it can mess up the opponents plan and it can save yourself a block against you.

So all you that really don't know how the shadowing work, please try and read about it before you think of it as a "follow a dodging player only skill."

[Smurf]

I've seen DE have difficulties shadowing a slower team... it was funny. Then he played my woodies, those shadowers virtually always shadowed my catchers! It was unreal, now piss off you stabbing bastard... oh no he's following me again.

For my WD I use a Tackle,Sidestep, Shadow combo. Stick it next to the ball carrier and the opponent has to either: push you away, knock you down or be chased around by the WD. I even chased a Vampire to the TD zone, 6 shadows and a gleeful cheer on the final TD with a 1... I got dodge I heard... I shook my head and said no you don't - tackle and smiled... he looked at his Reroll track but it was empty.

IMO shadow is fun. Sometimes it can get you where you want to go, shadowing some player that passes you is great because it may mean you block a hole and you're one square closer to them.

See how 4 pans out but 6 will be crazy... funny though.

BTW I'm not sure if a MA10 GR should play in defence... but hey give it a shot but don't cry when it gets ugly

Also just because it is not 'optimal' doesn't mean it is any less fun to play with.

[dsavillian]

Also just because it is not 'optimal' doesn't mean it is any less fun to play with.

depending on who you ask, "optimal" = fun in that they play to have fun more than anything

[mattgslater]

I could see it as a universal late selection.

Golems: Block-Guard-MB-Shadowing.
Werewolves: Block-Dodge-SS-Shadowing.
Ghouls: Block/Wrestle-Tackle/SS/Shadowing in some order.
Wights: Guard-MB-Tackle/Shadowing.
Zombies: Block-Shadowing/Fend or DP-Block.

[Piousman]

If the Golems got that 4th skill, would it not be better to give them Pro? Or Break Tackle?

- Piousman

[dsavillian]

I could see it as a universal late selection.

Golems: Block-Guard-MB-Shadowing.
Werewolves: Block-Dodge-SS-Shadowing.
Ghouls: Block/Wrestle-Tackle/SS/Shadowing in some order.
Wights: Guard-MB-Tackle/Shadowing.
Zombies: Block-Shadowing/Fend or DP-Block.

That would be super annoying to play against O_O

[Wanchor]

If the Golems got that 4th skill, would it not be better to give them Pro? Or Break Tackle?

- Piousman

Yes. Giving Shadowing to a 4 MV piece is a waste.

[stashman]

If the Golems got that 4th skill, would it not be better to give them Pro? Or Break Tackle?

- Piousman

Yes. Giving Shadowing to a 4 MV piece is a waste.

Read all and see why it's usefull.

[ZanzerTem]

Shadowing doesn't work too well when you're on the ground. And you will be, because your opponent will have better skills than you.

It's a fun skill but I wouldn't mass it on my guys. Especially not Zombies as you say you are going to.

1st: If you have Block or Blodge and still are on the ground, well nothing can help you (wights, wolfs and ghouls). What skills will be better? Sorry I'm not with you at all

2nd: You didn't read my post...

I read your post just fine. You never specified that you were going to take Shadowing with well-developed players. If you wanted commentation on taking Shadowing as a 4th or higher skill instead of their first skill you should have specified. As a first skill, my original comment stands. It won't work so well when you have a Zombie/Wolf/Ghoul with Shadowing and I have a Zombie/Wolf/Ghoul with Block.

You also said all positions but not Golems. The Zombie is a position. Perhaps you meant not Golems or Zombies? Again, be more specific if you plan on nitpicking replies.

Back on topic: Is Shadowing a nice skill to take down the road? Hell yes. Have I had teams that have massed it? Yes, with mixed results. The best teams to do this are teams with high movement players with AV8, such as Humans. My favorite though is Dark Elf Blitzers with Shadowing

[Wanchor]

If the Golems got that 4th skill, would it not be better to give them Pro? Or Break Tackle?

- Piousman

Yes. Giving Shadowing to a 4 MV piece is a waste.

Read all and see why it's usefull.

I've read it and it's still wasteful(l).

[Drool_bucket]

I just want to toss in that Shadowing can be a good skill on any Frenzy player. Since they have to follow up, you end up in player's tacklezones... (even if you knock them down and don't break armor) and get to make the decision of using Shadowing or not.

Werewolves are a perfect example of this. Blodging STR 3 AV8 can manage to stand next to those Dodgy type players. Having Shadowing on them just makes them that much more annoying.

I like Block, Dodge, Tackle for my first 3 WW skills, barring a doubles of course. 4th could very well be Shadowing on at least one of them. Though it's hard to pass up SS at that point...

[Smurf]

It's a poser.

Throwing shadowing into the mix you want to max your hitting game with the WW.

Block, Shadowing,, Tackle, Dodge

Keeping him base to base so to speak picks up the WW's blocking game. I like the idea now.

Note to safe invent alternative dimensions to play blood bowl in.

[nazgob]

Stashman, you intrigue me. I find your concepts interesting and original. When I start a Necro team (post WC), I'll get this started and let you know how I get on.

I also think that Orcs could benefit from using shadowing in their opponent's turn.

[stashman]

Nice to see that some of you understand how god it can be. I will soon play a game (maybe on saturday) and I will post how it went. It will be against elfs.

I think I have more use against the amazons, but hell, alot of linemens are MA6 in the elf team

[Smurf]

Nazgob the difficulty of the orcs are their fastest players are MA6. Ideally shadowing is for those MA7+ with the exception of the Assassins in the DE team.

When you have a clear lead, say MA8 to MA6 or less then the shadower is a nightmare.

Looking for 7 or less means that MA6 +2d6 -shadower MA. A MA6 player trying to get away from a MA8 player has a 1:6 chance.

With elf teams you can (looks around ) and use Pass block to get a shadower close to the ball carrier. Usually passblock then shadow. Things like leap and sidestep help too (not forgetting dodge if the poxy elf doesn't have it). Eventually they become a nightmare piece.

Slowing down ball movement is the result forcing the opponent to toss the ball to score.

After surviving 15 turn hold vs nurgle, they failed to equalise because they feared that the elf ability to intercept was too good. The coach thought he could grind his way through and found that he couldn't. Pass block and shadow was on his mind because of the problems they could cause him.

Anyway... shadowing, play it and tell us how you get on, I have fun with it anyway