passing and handoff in the same turn

Li · Post by Li » Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:38 pm

Is it possible do throw a pass after a handoff was made in the same turn ?

neverdodge · Post by **neverdodge** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:47 pm

sure it is, you can perform one hand off action and one pass action in the same turn

franck_le_grand · Post by **franck_le_grand** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 7:53 pm

yep you sure can, but only one hand off and only one pass, and not with the same player...

Poxous · Post by **Poxous** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 9:17 am

Where in the living rulebook is this writen?

It says a hand is a type of PASS.

Under actions pass is listed not hand off. Is this a carry over from some other Ed. or am I missing something? After reading the hand off rules among many players it seems the writen word say a hand IS a pass and you can not do more than one pass action per turn. Just checking!!!

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 9:37 am

Hand-off is not a pass it's "...a TYPE of very short pass" p.9

In the next sentence it states that "...Handing-off the ball is an action like Move, Blitz, PASS etc." p. 9 = Its not a pass-action bc it's being compared with pass here, therefore it's not a pass.

The very next sentence says "You may declare only one HAND-OFF ACTION per turn." Again this makes clear that Hand-off and Pass are different actions.

You may pass and hand-off in the same turn - but only once (they are different actions).

I know, the rules are not written in a clear manner (as in some other parts of the rules).

To put it clear, all legal ACTIONS a player can chose among to do once in his turn:
Block
Blitz (1x per team turn)
Move
Pass (after moving, 1x per team turn)
Hand-Off (after moving, 1x per team turn)
Foul (after moving, 1x per team turn)
Start Chainsaw

Hope that helps.

Poxous · Post by **Poxous** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 7:38 pm

If read that line carfully you see a flaw: IS a type of short pass.

"IS" means the hand off action would be considered a pass. The rest just lumps it into the actions rules( were pass is but Hand off is not).

Unless you pull a Bill Clinton on what IS is I don't understand. Our league has been using them seperate but at the BB tournie in Balti I heard many saying you can not. If there is no other place in the rules then I don't see how a hand IS NOT a pass.

Think of it like this: Could you hand off and pass before in the old rules? No. Then the BB mag with the cheer leader said you COULD as a rule change correct? Now the rules have been unpdated and rewriten EXACTLY like the original hand off rules. Nothing saying you can. Only a vauge rememberance to the BB mag which makes people read into it. It seems to me you could not before and you can't not because the wording the same. No?

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:08 pm

the rules are you can have one pass and one handoff a turn, thats official so why argue with it?

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:20 pm

Poxous wrote:If read that line carfully you see a flaw: IS a type of short pass.

Don't take every word in the BB rules 200%, many rules are written badly and can be misinterpretated, you have to look for the notion of the rule (I know this argument can also used against me

Poxous wrote:"IS" means the hand off action would be considered a pass. The rest just lumps it into the actions rules( were pass is but Hand off is not).

I'm sorry to contradict you, but you base your argumentation on one flaky written opening of the description of a game action. (For example, fouling is supposed to be "blocking a prone player" but still it's a foul not a block)

Poxous wrote:Unless you pull a Bill Clinton on what IS is I don't understand. Our league has been using them seperate but at the BB tournie in Balti I heard many saying you can not. If there is no other place in the rules then I don't see how a hand IS NOT a pass.

Regardless of what you and me understand of this IS, it clearly written that it's a Hand-off action. Why it's not a Pass-action then?

Poxous wrote:Think of it like this: Could you hand off and pass before in the old rules? No. Then the BB mag with the cheer leader said you COULD as a rule change correct? Now the rules have been unpdated and rewriten EXACTLY like the original hand off rules.

It does not matter how it was handled in the old rules, many skills/rules have been changed with LRB, even while retaining 95% of the old rule spelling.

Poxous wrote: Our league has been using them seperate but at the BB tournie in Balti I heard many saying you can not

You will experience many mis-ruling at tournaments. Even Andy Hall made a major mis-ruling during the BB two weeks ago.

I have to admit that it neither exactly prohibits nor allows both hand-off and pass in one turn. To me their are different actions like blitz and block. For me it's a Hand-over action and not a pass-action regardless the fact that they do the same thing = ball changes hands within the same team. And as different actions you are allowed to do both within your turn.

Anthony_TBBF · Post by **Anthony_TBBF** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:36 pm

A Handoff is a Catch roll, not a Pass. You can use the Catch skill with it, seems simple enough to me.

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 9:20 pm

Anthony_TBBF wrote:A Handoff is a Catch roll, not a Pass. You can use the Catch skill with it, seems simple enough to me.

Anthony speaketh the truth.

-Balrog

Norbor · Post by **Norbor** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 9:31 pm

Since you one can pass and Hand Off in the same turn, can you Blitz and Pass (or hand off) in the same turn?

Norbor

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 9:36 pm

Not with the same player (ylike you cannot block and pass with the same player in the same turn)

but you can, of course, blitz and pass in the same turn with different players.

Don't forget all this discussion is about if you can both pass and hand-over within your turn (with different players).

Oderus Orungus · Post by **Oderus Orungus** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 9:37 pm

I'm finally not banned from the site from where I work!!!!

Not with the same player. You can't take more than one action per player turn, blitz is an action and pass is an action so no way.

Poxous · Post by **Poxous** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:46 am

Anthony_TBBF wrote:A Handoff is a Catch roll, not a Pass. You can use the Catch skill with it, seems simple enough to me.

No a hand off "is a type of short pass". It IS an accuarate pass. Only a catch roll is needed.

It just seems people want this to happen.

My point is we are using the SAME rules on hand offs in the living book as in the old book. Exact WORDING. Then in a seperate book the hand off and pass rules were ADDED. Next we have a new set of rules without pass hand off being seperate. No where does it say Hand off is NOT a pass. It does say it IS a type of short pass. A quick pass is a type of short pass. I'd like to see the deigners say they both can be used in the same turn. Until then the wording says a hand off IS a pass. It is an action yes... a pass action.

The argument that use use the catch skill is bad. You don't use the catch to hand the ball off. It IS an accurate pass. The player recieving the ball can use catch. Just like all other passes.

method · Post by **method** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 2:35 am

poxy, poxy.... there's no dening it friend....
you see here plainly amist other bloodbowl coaches that it is possible...
tell ya what... i'll just stop playing elves to help you out.....
halflings perhaps.......

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