Human Tournament Roster Suggestions

[Red_Starrise]

Now before anyone goes on about humans not being that great, I'm committed. I'd just like some ideas on roster or maybe even successful tourney rosters you've used.

I'm a recent return to BB after a many year hiatus. The tourney is resurrection TV1100 with skills/upgrades out of the 1.1mil gc.

I'll post my tentative roster tomorrow am but I'd like some thoughts before then. Goodnight all. Been a long day (11-8 in class).


P.S. I'll even start posting pics in the miniatures section tomorrow

[babass]

I would suggest first to post in the right forum (here it's the league forum)


In a Tv110+4 simple+double i would go like this: 4 blitzers (guard/guard/guard/frenzy), ogre (block), 1 thrower, 1 catcher max.

[Joemanji]

Ogre
4 Blitzers
1 Thrower
1 Catcher
5 Linemen
3 RRs
Apo
= 1,090,000.

Skills : if there is a double, Block the Ogre. Otherwise Guard is your friend. Lots of that. One Tackle blitzer is popular too. And there is an option to Leader the thrower to get in a 13th man. Humans die a lot.

[Strider84]

Ogre
4 Blitzers
1 Thrower
1 Catcher
5 Linemen
3 RRs
Apo
= 1,090,000.

Skills : if there is a double, Block the Ogre. Otherwise Guard is your friend. Lots of that. One Tackle blitzer is popular too. And there is an option to Leader the thrower to get in a 13th man. Humans die a lot.

+1

[Red_Starrise]

Thanks for the replies. In all honesty, I could have swore that I posted this under tournament tactics. I guess this is what happens when you're tired & using a smartphone.

[mattgslater]

Wait, if I'm hearing this right, you pay for skills out of the 1.1M? What other restrictions are there?

My experience is that gold for gold, Ogres are awful. If you're paying for skills out of that 1.1M, I'd take 4 Blitzers, a Thrower, a Catcher, 6 Linos, 3 TRR, and 150k in skills, or a reserve and 100k in skills if you are capped at the .1M for skills, then take 4 TRR and have 100k. If I'm wrong, and it's 1.1M + skills, then yeah, an Ogre is okay.

Skills to buy:

1.1M+ Free skills: Doubles for a Block Ogre, a Tackle Blitzer, 2 Guard Blitzers, then to taste.
1.1M incl up to 100k in first improvements: 2 Guard Blitzers, 1 Tackle, 1 Block Catcher, 1 Kick Lino.
1.1M incl first improvements: As above, plus a Leader and another skill.
1.1M incl anything goes improvements: 2 Blitzers, 1 Thrower, 1 Catcher, 7 Linos, Apoth, 2 TRR: 330k for silliness, including a Leader.
Do not take a Leader from a dedicated skill budget with any team that doesn't have "Pact" in its name, but if you can spend starting cash on skills, always do.

[Joemanji]

Wait, if I'm hearing this right, you pay for skills out of the 1.1M?

Oh yeah didn't spot that.

My experience is that gold for gold, Ogres are awful.

I would disagree. They aren't great value for money, but Human needs the strength. If you can buy skills up front then Block on him is amazing value and he becomes an awesome player.

1.1M incl up to 100k in first improvements: 2 Guard Blitzers, 1 Tackle, 1 Block Catcher, 1 Kick Lino.
1.1M incl first improvements: As above, plus a Leader and another skill.
1.1M incl anything goes improvements: 2 Blitzers, 1 Thrower, 1 Catcher, 7 Linos, Apoth, 2 TRR: 330k for silliness, including a Leader.

Kick on Humans is a luxury you can't afford. There is no way it is better than another Guard. Block on the Catcher is also a bit fishy : he should be hiding, in which case the Block would be better served on a Lineman who can get involved. Whatever the rules, 4 Blitzers are a must.

Matt is right, 2RR + Leader when buying skills saves you 30K.

Do not take a Leader from a dedicated skill budget with any team that doesn't have "Pact" in its name...

Norse, Wood Elves, Skaven, Orcs, Dark Elves, High Elves, Pro Elves, everyone else if there is a doubles spare...

[Red_Starrise]

It is indeed 1.1M including skills, no more than 50k per player in skills. What's wrong with taking leader as a skill? It's 30K cheaper than a team re-roll which gives me that to play around with either as a regular skill and 1FF or a coach/cheerleader etc or a doubles skill, why is that bad?

I was thinking about:

4 Blitzers: guard x3, tackle x1
2 Throwers: leader, accurate
1 Catcher: block
5 linemen: block x2
3 team re-rolls
1.1m on the nose

[Strider84]

I'm always in favour of frenzy instead of tackle, because there are just too many teams wo dodge, and frenzy let's you put pressure onthe sidelines.

Then if you play without the ogre you rely more on speed, so I would lose accurate and a rr and get one more catcher, total 13 players.

then if you can stack skills I'd rather put 2 mb on the bliitzers then block on the linos. and if block on linos I would use at least one with wrestle.

[babass]

It is indeed 1.1M including skills, no more than 50k per player in skills. What's wrong with taking leader as a skill? It's 30K cheaper than a team re-roll which gives me that to play around with either as a regular skill and 1FF or a coach/cheerleader etc or a doubles skill, why is that bad?

I was thinking about:

4 Blitzers: guard x3, tackle x1
2 Throwers: leader, accurate
1 Catcher: block
5 linemen: block x2
3 team re-rolls
1.1m on the nose

Why not Wrestle on the linemen instead of Block? to have "alternative blitzers" (and to have more opponent to foul )

[MKL]

You can stack 2 skills on a player for up to 50k?
Necros may like this format

Anyway, unless I'm wrong (I'm in a hurry), you can go with something like this:

2 rr
4 blitzers, with 4 Guard
1 thrower, with Block+Dodge
6 linos, with 1 Leader
tot: 990k

then..
1) a catcher w Block, and Tackle as second skill on a Blitzer (110k)
2) a lineman Wrestle+Tackle, +20k as you like (90+20k)
3) a lineman with Guard, and Tackle as second skill on a Blitzer (100k)

[mattgslater]

For the Ogre, I see it both ways. In a pure cash environment, though, an Ogre with Block is +100k over a Lineman with Block, and comes with Loner and Bonehead. For +100k I can buy TPOMB on a Blitzer, give Guard to that Lineman, and still have 10k left over. Heck, if it's truly open season I could buy me a pair of +ST buffs.

Re: Leader, I don't like spending skills that can only be skills on stuff that can be bought for starting cash, unless the advantage is huge, but if it's the same pool of cash Leader is de rigeur. I see it on Norse and Skaven, and at 1M I see it on a lot of teams, but at 1.1 the value of more cash isn't so hot, but you always want another skill.

Frankly, after Guard and Tackle across the Blitzers, anything else is all to taste and style. If there's no difference between a normal and a double, yeah, more Guard, no Kick. If improvements are infinite at retail, you want as many Blitzers as you want guys with Block and two Strength skills, plus as many guys you want with Block and one Strength skill and have a reason to like the +MA. But if you are just looking for Block and Guard, a Lino with Block gives you an extra Blitzer skill, and even a lino with Block/Guard it's a 10k savings to use for another puzzle piece.

But we're trying to answer with waaaaaaay too little information. Original post is very unclear.

[Red_Starrise]

Ok not sure how I was too unclear. I'll try again:

TV1100. Players & improvements etc bought from the 1.1m. No more than 50k per player for improvements.

Minimum 11 players before stars.

Revised list:
2 throwers - 1 with leader, 1 with accurate
1 catcher - block
2 blitzers - tackle on both
Ogre - guard
5 linemen - 4 with block
2 team re-rolls

Thoughts? Also check my first blog post

[mattgslater]

Ah, now I get it. No limit on number of doubles? I'd definitely dump the Ogre then, get myself some MB/Tackle Blitzers and Guard Linemen. The cost difference for the Ogre is enough to buy a lot of stuff.