Chaos Cup - Chaos List Help

Jimmy Fantastic · Post by **Jimmy Fantastic** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:34 pm

IMO 3rd RR is infinitely better than a reserve.

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:14 pm

Jimmy Fantastic wrote:IMO 3rd RR is infinitely better than a reserve.

Jimmy, my experience is exactly the opposite with bash teams such as Chaos and Nurgle. These teams like to maintain at least parity in numbers, otherwise they tend to struggle. With finesse teams, I would agree that the RR is better than a reserve. But it may come down simply to differences in playing style.

All the best.

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:20 pm

Nuffle_Hate_Me wrote:I submitted my roster with the following

4 x Warriors, 4 x Block
8 x Beastmen, 1 x Sure Hands, 2 x Wrestle
2 RR

Just can't see the Mino as it's an all or nothing player that is easily dealt with. This seems more well rounded to me, although a bit boring. Just my opinion. I AM CHAOS!

You are correct on both points, and this may be the better roster. If you prefer it, then it may also be better suited your style of play. I reserve my judgment on which roster is better untli I have seen them in practice!

It's true that the roster you have picked seems "a bit boring", but I would prefer to describe it as fluid and flexible. It means you can adapt to a lot of different rosters and match situations. You need to be alert, and not fall into a fixed pattern of play.

All the best.

Nuffle_Hate_Me · Post by **Nuffle_Hate_Me** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:14 pm

In order to maximize swag I pretty much had to submit the Roster on theory alone and past experience.

The problem with "practice" is that you could be facing 24 different teams with at least a few common builds if not a lot of different build. And you have to find a willing person to build a team with Chaos Cup rules and play them, which could get tricky now. So "practice" is very relative.

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:18 am

I did not intend "practice" to mean against other coaches. Simply some idle minutes playing against yourself, and using standard tourney rosters (I usually start with Orcs, but obviously the Chaos Cup is a different kettle of fish).

Jimmy Fantastic · Post by **Jimmy Fantastic** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:04 am

Smeborg wrote:
Jimmy Fantastic wrote:IMO 3rd RR is infinitely better than a reserve.
Jimmy, my experience is exactly the opposite with bash teams such as Chaos and Nurgle. These teams like to maintain at least parity in numbers, otherwise they tend to struggle. With finesse teams, I would agree that the RR is better than a reserve. But it may come down simply to differences in playing style.

All the best.

Yes I know you are inexperienced and have off the wall ideas. We will have to forever agree to disagree.

Post by **voyagers_uk** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:18 pm

Roflmao Jimmy you are such a hoot

Gaixo · Post by **Gaixo** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:25 pm

How did you like the list, Matt? Do you think a different roster might have done better, or was it mostly down to luck and the draw?

Nuffle_Hate_Me · Post by **Nuffle_Hate_Me** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:19 pm

If I didn't roll so badly and have horrible luck the team did OK. Might want to drop a few skills and add in some guard or claw, that what I missed a lot. 2 Wrestlers and 4 Block might have been too much. I faced DE, Lizards, Skaven, Orcs, Chaos, and Dwarfs, so a pretty tough draw for Chaos. I never won Fame. I never got of turn 2 without having a casualty against me. Finished 0W 2L 4D but stuff like this happened:

Here are some of the highlights:

3 of my games ended for a draw but with stuff like this for the win:

Need 2 GFI for the win with a RR. 1 RR 1 93%

Need a Sure Hands 3+ Pick Up and 2 GFI, Result 1 RR 1 on the pick up 62%
Next turn Need Sure hand 3+ and a 3+ Hand Off no RR. 1 RR 3 on Pick Up then a 1 on the hand off 62%

Sure Hands 3+, 2x GFIs, 4+ Pass, 3+ Catch, 3+ Hand off, 1 RR 3 Pick up, 1 RR 1 first GFI 13% but I still had a chance!

Half 0 - 0 against DE, I'm receiving the kick, thinking to grind out the game, but lost 0-2

Turn 1 2nd Half
Kick goes to deep corner, no Kicker. Blitz, I can only get the Sure Hands guy to base the ball, Witch Elf Blitz, DE Score,
Turn 2 2nd Half
Kick goes to near corner, no Kicker. Blitz, I hit the Witch elf who has the ball ball is lose, they still score
Turn 3 3nd Half
Kick goes 7 straight to sideline, Pitch invasion, Anyone who was near the ball is Stunned, scrum ensues for much of the rest of 2nd half

So 3 kicks in a row the ball went 7 spaces away from me and were optimal results for my opponent.

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:56 pm

That's a fairly tough draw, I agree. It's a game of dice, I don't think I've ever won a tourney game in which my opponent got 2 Blitz! results on the kick-off table. And I remember one tourney where my opponents' lowest fan roll was a 9. But at other tourneys things can go the other way. So I hope you won't be discouraged!

All the best.

Jimmy Fantastic · Post by **Jimmy Fantastic** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:16 am

To be fair you can't really get a good draw for Chaos.

Nuffle_Hate_Me · Post by **Nuffle_Hate_Me** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:37 am

Well team with Lots of Guard/Block or Lots of ST4 or Speed kills them and I faced that every round. If I could have hurt the Lizards or DE more I could have done better. I think I knocked over skinks 20+ times broke armor maybe 5 time and took 1 off the pitch. I think I knocked over the 1 WE on the team at least 6 times and never broke armor. I just couldn't break AV7 all day

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