Doesn't this mean that the ball is caught after the end of the Action?GalakStarscraper wrote:Went through to make sure I read everything and this would be my ruling:
1) Nothing on page 8 says the TURN ends immediately ... its say the ACTION ends immediately and that the TURN enters into a wrap up process.
Or, do you mean that the Turn wrap up is part of the Action ending immediately? If the turn wrap up is part of the Action ending, then this is where my assumptions were incorrect and I would completely change my opinion. If this is my error, please say so, and ignore the rest of my post. If I am wrong for some other reason, then I seek further enlightenment.
I'm thoroughly confused. Did you mean "YES" on b? The ball is in his possession at the end of the turn. Or, did you mean catching the ball does not end the turn? Either way, I do not see how this is relevant to satisfying the condition of the ball needing to be possessed at the end of the Action.GalakStarscraper wrote:2) In addition to not saying explicitly that the turn ends immediately, it in fact says that many things happen BEFORE the turn ends as a wrap-up to the turn. Making it clear that there are many events that take place before the turn ends.
3) When we read page 15 and see the text "at the end of any of your players' Actions". We look at the items from 1 and 2 above.
a) Is the Action ended, YES.
b) Is the turn ended when the player has the ball in his possession, NO.
So that would mean that the condition for the touchdown has been met.
If the Action ends before the ball is possessed, how is the condition met? I completely understand that there is a wrap-up before the turn ending. I just thought it occurred after the action ended, therefore the condition for scoring in your turn is not satisfied.
There specifically are different rules for scoring on my turn or on my opponents. Since they are different doesn't that mean that they could be in opposition to each other.GalakStarscraper wrote:As another look at it: Move the GFI to the other end of the pitch and now have an opponent catch the ball. Would you argue that this is not TD? I would say the wording of the rulebook makes it clear that it is a TD. So in effect saying the scenario under discussion is not a TD would suggest rules in direct opposition to each other for how TD scoring works. That was definitely not the spirit of the game design.
Also, I thought there was already an inconsistency concerning Frenzy and TDs. If the ball carrier uses Frenzy to enter the end zone, the second hit still occurs because the action has not ended, but if the ball carrier is hit into the end zone the TD occurs immediately and the second hit would not occur. (In the first case a side-stepper could even prevent the TD by forcing the ball carrier to follow up out of the end zone before the Action ended.) The rules are written with different conditions to score on my turn or on my opponents.
The rules obviously are different depending on if it is my turn or my opponents. Since it would be simpler to make scoring on my turn or my opponents consistent, I assumed that the difference was intentional. On 1-7 I would not argue that a TD was not scored, but I would argue that it uses another turn, that is not available in the bottom of turn 8/16.GalakStarscraper wrote:A 2nd another way to look at this ... the game was not designed to have inconsistent rulings just based on what turn it is. If the scenario happened on turns 1 to 7 ... no one would argue that a TD has been scored. So to say that Turn 8 has a different ruling was really not in the spirit of the game design. However ... I do not think this is an issue as to my read a TD is scored with the current wording in the rulebook.
Galak
Heaven forbid I use a basketball analogy: you can shoot before the buzzer and it counts, but if you shoot before the buzzer and the alley-oop is after the buzzer it does not count. Time has run out.
No matter that I don't understand your reasoning, I accept your intent. I will assume that the turn wrap-up is part of the Action ending immediately.