An alternative, non Fantasy battle fluff Beastman team

Ithilkir · Post by **Ithilkir** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 6:32 pm

Right, lets narrow down the options for.. erm, option C

A) 7-3-3-8 Horns, Tackle -- 90k
B) 7-3-3-8 Horns, Sure Feet, Tackle -- 110k

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 6:48 pm

Actually, A should cost 100k. That's a human blitzer with horns and tackle instead of block, and those two put together are surely worth more than block. Not to mention access to mutations.

Since sure feet is worth a lot less than tackle, that's why i put him at 90k. But with tackle, that's a different story.

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 6:40 am

I liked the sure feet for the blitzers. I would vote for MA6 and sure feet myself.

GenoNBBL · Post by **GenoNBBL** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 8:06 pm

I really like the idea of this team, but I like all things Chaotic anyway.

I'd prefer the MA6 SF blitzers as it gives you something different to everyday players and there's always that small risk involved with a GFI.

The blockers are dead hard, love it. At ST4 base with Horns I'd make them LOS blitzers to clear out lines for the blitzers to run through. The blitzers would defenitly fill the roll of reciever with the SF whilst a bog standard Beastman with Sure Hands would become a backfield ball handler.

You'd think this team would focus on a running game but with a couple of AG increases or doubles (extra arms) you'd be looking at a team that could move the ball downfield pretty well.

We're playtesting Experimental teams in our Chaos Cup, I think I'll put this one in the mix and see what the NBBL say. If I hear a 'yay' I'll give it a twirl and let you know how they go.

But first of all sort out the definate prices/positions.

Any idea when GW release all these new Beastmen models?

Adios

D'Arquebus · Post by **D'Arquebus** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 2:44 am

This team is similar to the one we ran in our last round of teams. I would support the 4 blitzers. I would also definitely agree with NO block on the starting team.

The Rerolls should be 70k. Several reasons, the original (and best

) Chaos team's were (they are maintaining the 70k for the new Undead teams also). Fluff-wise Beastmen are not more likely then mixed Chaos to train regularily. Finally, and most tellingly, they are a team with at least a ST4 blitz every turn. Add in two ST4 blockers and you have a very powerful hitting team. Now I am currently running a Vanilla Chas team and I can assure you that that is very powerful.

As to the Blitzer stats, I would say Zombie's is the best bet

7 3 3 8 Horns, Sure feet, 90k.

This gives them the speed they need to be a running team without more ST4 players. Also it is characterful for the race. I think tackle is an essential skill for the Chaos team/s. By giving it to them straight up you negate the trade-off they need to make with Block. Sweepers with Tackle and Horns are very nice. Make them at least earn that right. Plus this would allow a more skillful starting lineup then Vanilla Chaos, by having 90k position players. You need to trade off less important FF.

Ithilkir · Post by **Ithilkir** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 8:23 am

Ookay, so currently the team looks like this...

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Qty    Position    Mv St Ag Av   Skills & Traits          Cost       Skills
0-12   Lineman     6  3  3  8    Horns                    60,000     Gen, St, Phys 
0-4    Blitzer     7  3  3  8    Horns, Sure Feet         90,000     Gen, St, Phys
0-2    Blocker     5  4  2  8    Horns, Thick Skull       100,000    Gen, St, Phys

Re-Rolls: 60,000

Big Guy: Minotaur

Is this fine for people?

Relborn · Post by **Relborn** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 8:41 am

Although against most opinions here I would prefer swapping the QTY of Blitzer and Blockers. From the Fluff side Blitzer are rare players that are hard to find (I know, that many other teams have 4 Blitzers as well - but I still prefer sticking to my statement).

I still haven't understood what's the reason for sure feet (beside that it is nice to have, of course). Maybe Sure Hands for this runner team could be an alternative

The rest looks very good to me.

Relborn · Post by **Relborn** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 8:42 am

on a secon thought ... why not giving them 4 Blitzer AND 4 Blocker ? That wouldn't overpower them IMO

GenoNBBL · Post by **GenoNBBL** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 8:55 am

I think if you gave them 4 Blockers they'd be too much like a Chaos team.

I like the idea of SF (hooves?) as it does make the starting team a tad different and it's not really a skill you'd ever give a Beastmen that you were developing so it offers new ideas up to people (the possibility to move 9 and blitz at ST4 is fantastic).

Keep the blockers low, 2 is enough.

Adios

Relborn · Post by **Relborn** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:41 am

GenoNBBL wrote: I like the idea of SF (hooves?)

Sure feet for having hooves ? Sorry I am no realism fanatic, but that just sounds to weird to me ... it's okay for me with Bull Centaurs as they have 4 Legs ... but Beastmen ? If that's your reasoning, then think over it again ...

GenoNBBL · Post by **GenoNBBL** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:56 am

No resoning, just a parody as Beastmen have no feet (to be sure with).

Relborn · Post by **Relborn** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 10:20 am

and what comes next ? Goblins with big hands for their masturbation habits ?

Ithilkir · Post by **Ithilkir** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 1:52 pm

Sure Feet for two reasons...

1) Trying to go for a running team style without having huge movement.
2) Beastmen are sheep/goats... And they are generally very good at staying on there feet when running (and I wasn't going to give them dodge). Also makes things different from a normal team.

I was thinking about bumping up the RR price to 70k, as I honestly can't see why anyone would pick 'vanilla' Chaos over a Beastman team.. I even had a flash of inspiration(?) for blockers...

6-3-2-9 Horns, Thick Skull, Stand Firm 90k

Genius or rubbish? Looking at them, I'd say rubbish now they're on 'paper'

Relborn · Post by **Relborn** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 2:12 pm

[quote="Ithilkir"]
I was thinking about bumping up the RR price to 70k, as I honestly can't see why anyone would pick 'vanilla' Chaos over a Beastman team.. I even had a flash of inspiration(?) for blockers...

6-3-2-9 Horns, Thick Skull, Stand Firm 90k
quote]

Put in Block for this version of Blockers and you got me dude ...

GenoNBBL · Post by **GenoNBBL** » Thu May 01, 2003 8:12 am

I prefer the older blockers you suggested, less MA and a higher ST, which is how I see them (laidened with armour, although Beastmen are practically naked model wise).

RR's to 70K seem's fair, I'll knock up a couple of example rosters and post them up here.

And Relborn - Big Hands for Goblins? Whatever you're smoking dude, I want some.