Strip Balll & pushing into TD

Ancalagon · Post by **Ancalagon** » Wed May 07, 2003 11:06 am

If a player carrying the ball is pushed by a strip ball player into TD zone... is the TD scored??

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Wed May 07, 2003 11:21 am

I was wondering about this yesterday, in the spirit of the rules i woudl say it isn't a touchdown, but i don't think its specific enough

Ancalagon · Post by **Ancalagon** » Wed May 07, 2003 11:31 am

Yep... I never thought about it but a guy wo's coming to Barnabowl asked about. To be honest first I thought it should be a TD... any BBRC to answer?

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Wed May 07, 2003 11:37 am

Technically i would say yes, because it hasnt been corrected. Doubt many coaches/commish's in usa would allow it, in american football u only get the td if u have control of the ball, not just because your bouncing it from hand to hand while u go over the line which is what the guy would be doing in this instance.

Dangerous Dave · Post by **Dangerous Dave** » Wed May 07, 2003 12:42 pm

IMO definitely not a TD - you must have control of the ball - so unless the ball carrier has Sure Hands, it scatters. Now if it bounces off another player and back to the carrier and he catches it.... then that is a TD (cue thrown dice!)

Dave

Agentrock · Post by **Agentrock** » Wed May 07, 2003 12:43 pm

I agree with Dangerous Dave's response...that's how we'd rule it in our league.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Wed May 07, 2003 3:39 pm

No TD.

LRB 2.0 pp 16 "A team scores a touchdown when one of their players
ends an action standing in the opposing team’s End Zone while holding the football."

Ancalagon · Post by **Ancalagon** » Wed May 07, 2003 3:45 pm

Ian: this description is about scoring on ball carrier turn. We are talking about being pushed...

Is any BBRC around??

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed May 07, 2003 4:29 pm

Dangerous Dave wrote:IMO definitely not a TD - you must have control of the ball - so unless the ball carrier has Sure Hands, it scatters. Now if it bounces off another player and back to the carrier and he catches it.... then that is a TD (cue thrown dice!)
Dave

Agree 100% with Dave.

Galak

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Wed May 07, 2003 6:45 pm

I dunno guys. He drops the ball in the square he's pushed to. He went over the line with the ball. I'd say it's a TD. I don't know where you're coming up with this ball control stuff. You get that ball over the line in the hands of a player with his feet on the pitch (no throwing Right Stuffers with the ball into the crowd in the cheap seats, guys) and you get a TD.

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Wed May 07, 2003 8:20 pm

Unfortunately I think Snotsgrots is right, although I would also rule otherwise for league play. Scoring a TD requires the player to be in the endzone with the ball, which is what happens right before it gets stripped from him and scatters.

-Balrog

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed May 07, 2003 8:45 pm

Added to the BBRC Hot List.

Galak

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Wed May 07, 2003 9:28 pm

Ancalagon wrote:Ian: this description is about scoring on ball carrier turn. We are talking about being pushed...

The section I quoted never mentions that its your own turn, just that you have to be standing there at the end of an action. I'd say it doesn't matter whether that's the scoring team's turn or not.

There is an extra section that talks about moving the turn counter, but I'd say the LRB is very clear. You can only evaluate scoring at the end of an action.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed May 07, 2003 9:56 pm

ianwilliams wrote:
Ancalagon wrote:Ian: this description is about scoring on ball carrier turn. We are talking about being pushed...
The section I quoted never mentions that its your own turn, just that you have to be standing there at the end of an action. I'd say it doesn't matter whether that's the scoring team's turn or not.

There is an extra section that talks about moving the turn counter, but I'd say the LRB is very clear. You can only evaluate scoring at the end of an action.

I disagree. On page 16, it says:

In some rare cases a team will score a touchdown in the
opponent’s turn. For example, a player holding the ball
could be pushed into the End Zone by a block. If this
happens then the team scores a touchdown

Nothing end there at all about the end of an action. I would agree with the others above. As it currently reads in the LRB, its is a TD.

Galak

neoliminal · Post by **neoliminal** » Wed May 07, 2003 10:27 pm

Not a TD. Period.