spp`s for pushing out of bounds

bert28 · Post by **bert28** » Wed May 07, 2003 11:18 am

hi,
one silly question:
does a player earn starplayerpoints, if a player he pushed into the crowd is placed in the dead and injury-box?

thanks,
Bert.

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Wed May 07, 2003 11:19 am

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Wed May 07, 2003 6:48 pm

C'mon Redfang, cut and paste and show us where it says that.

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Wed May 07, 2003 8:23 pm

No you don't get any SPPs as its the crowd that injured him. However, my league uses this house rule, which is a lot of fun:

Pushing Players Into the Crowd:
If a player pushes another into the crowd, the blocker may follow his victim into the crowd (to beat on him some more). Roll for injury as normal on the victim, including any modifiers by the blocker (Mighty Blow, Razor Sharp Claw, etc). If the victim is injured then the blocker receives the casualty SPPs. Of course the blocker also gets injured by the crowd.

-Balrog

Asmodan · Post by **Asmodan** » Thu May 08, 2003 7:14 am

No, since it specifically says under casuality awards (page 39 LRB) that you only get SPP for casualities caused by blocks.

ZanzerTem · Post by **ZanzerTem** » Thu May 08, 2003 3:02 pm

But you threw a block, and he was hurt by the crowd as a result to the block. Had you not thrown the block the player would not have been injured.

Our league says "yes" to SPP's.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Fri May 09, 2003 6:16 am

Fine house rule, and a rule my Norse Blitzers would love, but as the LRB says, No you don't.

ZanzerTem · Post by **ZanzerTem** » Fri May 09, 2003 6:02 pm

Well, it just says that you get SPP's as a result of a block, not as a result of a KNOCKDOWN.

It's up to interpretation, and how you read the rules.

Jethro Dull · Post by **Jethro Dull** » Mon May 12, 2003 9:02 pm

Best text from the LRB to interprete then would be on bottom of p39:

Casualties (CAS): If a player kills, seriously injures, or
badly hurts an opposing player then they earn 2 Star
Player points. The points are only earned if the player
blocks an opponent or is blocked by an opponent himself.
Casualties inflicted in any other way do not count for Star
Player points.

Hmm... so he would be eligible to collect those 2 SPP as it was a block, yet somehow i feel the casuality itself is inflicted in another way than the block and it is not the player that kills, seriously injures or badly hurts the opponent but the fans.
I'd vote against getting the SPPs.

Erm, welcome all by the way

slup · Post by **slup** » Tue May 13, 2003 7:31 am

Read the first line again:

" If a player kills, seriously injures, or
badly hurts an opposing player"

It is not the player who does it but the fans.

Gobstopper · Post by **Gobstopper** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:56 pm

Since the crowd is inflicting the injury and not the player, I would not give any SPP's for this action. All the player did was push his opponent into the crowd. The crowd is who inflicts the injury.

I vote for no SPP's on this.

I remember reading in a faq somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:20 pm

don't need to vote on it the rules say you don't get spp for crowd injuries

tik · Post by **tik** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 5:15 am

Time to reopen this old topic.
Grumbledook, please tell me where it explicitly states that a casualty inflicted by means of a player being blocked into the crowd does not earn SPP.

Since knocking a player into the crowd requires bad luck, or poor tactical play from a defending coach, or good luck/ clever planning for attacking coach, and since the block was causative of injury, it seems just that the blocking player is awarded SPP. As per page 39 of LRB, only blocks that cause injury give SPP. Given that frenzy is now a trait, and therefore harder for most players to gain, awarding SPP for a casualty caused by blocking them into the crowd seems reasonable and in accord with the rules as I have read them.

Comments?

Post by **Dave** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 6:13 am

LRB page 39, under cas (bottom right)

first line.

"If a PLAYER kills, seriously injures or badly hurts and opposing player then they earn 2 SPP's"

seems rather extremely clear to me.

madhobbit · Post by **madhobbit** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 6:26 am

As Dave repeated: the player just knocked the guy or gal out of bounds, your fans do the real work.

m@hobbit.