Dauntless/Horns and Blitzing question

fen · Post by **fen** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:38 am

GalakStarscraper wrote:
fen wrote:It's a very admirable goal. But the choice of October doesn't really give the general population a lot of time to provide feedback for consideration in 2008.
Huh? October 2007 is a long way away ... right? No?

Galak

October 2007, right. My bad. I think all the confusion is cleared up now.

l_dauguet · Post by **l_dauguet** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:49 pm

GalakStarscraper wrote:
fen wrote:
GalakStarscraper wrote:If Horns really needed something than I'd make it so that Horns when used on a blitz and you moved at least one square first it allowed you to add +1 ST to the block and to re-roll the block dice for the first block the player throws that turn.

This would help offset the Chaos team not starting with Block on any players.
I'd have less issues with the beastmen in the Chaos side if this was implimented. They'd be worth the 60K you pay (plus I'd be tempted to field the side in tournaments)
If Chaos (and Horns) needs a boost .... I'll keep this suggestion in mind for next October.

Galak

Maybe positionnals with some of the new skills would be preferable. RR a block dice for free is very strong.

TuernRedvenom · Post by **TuernRedvenom** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:59 pm

l_dauguet wrote:
GalakStarscraper wrote:
fen wrote: I'd have less issues with the beastmen in the Chaos side if this was implimented. They'd be worth the 60K you pay (plus I'd be tempted to field the side in tournaments)
If Chaos (and Horns) needs a boost .... I'll keep this suggestion in mind for next October.

Galak
Maybe positionnals with some of the new skills would be preferable. RR a block dice for free is very strong.

Yeah, something like:
"If you roll and use a clear POW then you get a +1 modifier for the subsequent armour roll when blitzing."

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:28 pm

l_dauguet wrote:
GalakStarscraper wrote:
fen wrote: I'd have less issues with the beastmen in the Chaos side if this was implimented. They'd be worth the 60K you pay (plus I'd be tempted to field the side in tournaments)
If Chaos (and Horns) needs a boost .... I'll keep this suggestion in mind for next October.

Galak
Maybe positionnals with some of the new skills would be preferable. RR a block dice for free is very strong.

Yes it is. But only for a player that has moved one square first and its only useable by one player per a turn. Its a good skill ... I'm sure its that strong. If it could be used by all the Horns players on the team each turn ... yeah that is broken ... but one player per a turn and he has to move first to use it ... I'm not sure that counts as very strong.

Galak

TuernRedvenom · Post by **TuernRedvenom** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:33 pm

I still think it's very strong, that mino will become a whole lot more reliable when blitzing!

l_dauguet · Post by **l_dauguet** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:34 pm

It's still better than pro on this matter. Considering I have 2 dice to block and that I mostly use my rerolls on blitzing the carrier, I find it very powerfull as I save my RR.

I can even start with 1 RR, 4 CW, 1 mino as I could reroll everyblitz. 8 free potential rerolls.

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:36 pm

TuernRedvenom wrote:I still think it's very strong, that mino will become a whole lot more reliable when blitzing!

But he still would not be worth 150K!

l_dauguet · Post by **l_dauguet** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:55 pm

He may hbe more expensive but you get free players and cash doesn't count toward TV so saving isn't a problem.

Starting line up with chaos : 4 CW, 7 BM, 3 RR.

fen · Post by **fen** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:34 pm

free players? Journeymen are not free players, sure if you lose a beastman/lineman and you're struggling then it's nice to field a journeyman until you can replace him with a positional/lineman.

But there's no way in Gomorrah I'd sit on an 11 man Chaos roster with long term Journey-Beastmen. It's horrible having unskilled players on Chaos and journeymen are even worse than unskilled.

Still, imo the jury is out on how powerful that skill would turn out to be, it certainly would help Chaos/Nurgle, make Horns a desirable mutation for Skaven, boost minotaurs a lot and make Chaos more potent in tournaments.

But it is a limited skill that requires a run up and I'm not sure boosting Nurgle/Chaos/Minos this much would unbalance anything.

l_dauguet · Post by **l_dauguet** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:38 pm

fen wrote:free players? Journeymen are not free players, sure if you lose a beastman/lineman and you're struggling then it's nice to field a journeyman until you can replace him with a positional/lineman.

But there's no way in Gomorrah I'd sit on an 11 man Chaos roster with long term Journey-Beastmen. It's horrible having unskilled players on Chaos and journeymen are even worse than unskilled.

If you get it without paying it, it's free. Although you might have a diferent definition of 'free'.

The question isn't unskilled or skilled. The question is playing with 11 players. Coachs are unskilled, players are just little toys you move around.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:59 pm

l_dauguet wrote:If you get it without paying it, it's free. Although you might have a diferent definition of 'free'.

It's "free" in that they don't cost you gp, but it's not "free" in the fact that it boosts your TV.

l_dauguet · Post by **l_dauguet** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:08 pm

But you keep the money in bank