Last Poll on Brettonians - please give feedback

[Mad Jackal]

Ummm, i got the feeling I have found this thread a little late.

I have been playing Brettonians in the ECBBL here in London and I wondered if anyone was interested in how I have found them, what I think, etc etc. This maybe a semi-dead thread.

I'm interested, and plasmoid probably is....

Lots of other people could not give a flip though and wish this team would go quietly away.

[Lycos]

ok...
well I like the idea of Brettonians for one thing. This is under the SG arm of GW and my only other game I have played is MOW. And they had Brettonians so for ages I was wondering why dont they have them? I had a rule set all done where each race had to transport thier team over to the venue across the sea....but had to leave Bretts out...no BB team.

As a starting roster they are pretty good, a lot better than slann. I have enjoyed playing them but man I am frustrated about the loner skill on lineman. I read a few posts back why that was done but in the whole, thats the only down comment. It is a big problem. You can play for 90mins on the desktop in a good game(I dont play online, only F2F) and you come down to needing to dodge or block but so many times that Loner problem has taken the edge of the game.

I would not start with guard myself. The current skills give you sure hands, wrestle, catch, 4 block and some dauntless. Not a bad line up and I have found more by being a little defensive they are ok. But very hard to win with against other teams of tier 1 level and indeed hard enough v tier 2 teams. But I think thats the object yes? they aren't supposed to be tier1.

Hardly (have I ever?) used Juggernaut but the key two players have been the runners. Block and Catch and then Guard first skill. I have put Mighty blow on the Knights, Block on the Sure hands squires.

What often happens is that if I suffer a MNG or even 2, then I am starting with 5 lineman and may end up with a CAS or two against come mid 2H. So then you are starting the drive with 7 loners and that is not much fun.

[Warpstone]

Heh, it's the Man O' War argument that has always made me wonder why Brettonians somehow don't merit a BB roster.

Not a bad line up and I have found more by being a little defensive they are ok. But very hard to win with against other teams of tier 1 level and indeed hard enough v tier 2 teams. But I think thats the object yes? they aren't supposed to be tier1.

Yup, I do think that is the object. A good enough team to justify long-term league play, but not to dominate it. I wish more house-rule rosters were designed with this game-balance consideration in mind.

Hardly (have I ever?) used Juggernaut but the key two players have been the runners. Block and Catch and then Guard first skill. I have put Mighty blow on the Knights, Block on the Sure hands squires.

I haven't got their yet, but I figure juggernaut will become a fairly handy skill once your opponents hit the 175+ TV level (with all their ST4+ Stand-Firm players on the LOS). In respect to guard, it seems useful, but it would also probably lead to me getting the Runners stuck in the scrum. I find fend or defensive skills be most useful for runners (albeit we all know what we'd pick with a double roll).

What often happens is that if I suffer a MNG or even 2, then I am starting with 5 lineman and may end up with a CAS or two against come mid 2H. So then you are starting the drive with 7 loners and that is not much fun.

In a weird way this is the fun/challenging part of the team: don't get the knights killed In a way, this team is like the Lizardmen in that it looks tough, but it has to play evasively if it wants to win. I've been astonished though at how Skaven-like they can be on defence, with the runners being deadly sackers.

[m0nty_au]

Doodling with a few options...

0-16 Linemen 40K 6337 G
0-4 Squires 80K 6338 Block GS
0-2 Runners 90K 7338 Sure Hands GA
0-2 Knights 120K 7339 Grab, Juggernaut, Leader GS
70k rerolls
Starting roster: 2K, 1R, 3S, 5L, 3RR, FF1, 1AC.

0-16 Linemen 40K 6337 G
0-4 Squires 70K 6338 Wrestle GS
0-4 Knights 110K 6339 Grab, Juggernaut, Leader GS
80k rerolls
Starting roster: 3K, 3S, 6L, 3RR, FF1.

[Mephisto]

What's that? I found it on narkotic's web... I think their from the 1ed.

[plasmoid]

Thanks Lycos
I'll get back to you.

And Mephisto, no idea where those came from.
Are those homemade or official I wonder.
AFAIK, 1st ed. is too old to have any brettonians.

Cheers
Martin

[prisma]

Have you found the team to be competitive so far ?

Honestly, I found the team deep in tier 2 with
a) those loner-linos and
b) a pretty useless skill (jugger) on the knights (I would prefer standfirm instead to give them an edge).

[Mephisto]

I think loner on the linema is too hard...

[plasmoid]

Hi all,
I've been without TBB access for 4 weeks, so here is a delayed reply:

Several posters (in this thread, and elsewhere) have downplayed the effect of loner on the linemen, stating that it has little to no impact. It is interesting to me that the playtesters often see it the other way around: i.e. that loner is a nasty negaskill. Lycos is the most recent example (a few posts up).

I trust the playtesters more than the philosophers on this.
Cheers
Martin

[sgtspiff]

As there are a couple of Brettonia topics around I just grabbed this one for my Brettonia thoughts.
As I'm not a WHFB player I really don't know that much about Brettonians gameplay. What I know is that they're a part of the Old World (in which Blood Bowl is played).

I choose to start from the fluff of the Brettonians in WHFB (read it from GW online). From this fluff I will make a team that is still human but special enough to make you say "that's a first time".
I've not playtested me to this list. I just go with my own thoughts (which you can read above each unit).

Here we go;

The Men-at-arms don't get any training worth mentioning. So the Brettonian linemen will not be that good at handeling the ball. Hence;

Lineman 0-16 50k
6328 G

The peasant is only inducted as they didn't make the cut to the Men-at-arms. They also are the only missile troops in Brettonians. Their use of the longbow (really heavy stuff to use) has given them a good throw arm.

Thrower 0-2 60k
6237 Strong Arm G

The Knights Errant are young knights who'll go on the bloodbowl pitch with fierce temper trying to take down anything that come in their way just to prove themselves.

Blitzer 0-4
7338 Block, Tackle GS 100k

The older more experienced knights of Brettonia often has duties that will leave them outside the fields of blood bowl. But sometimes they'll show up to bring a lifetime of fighting experience to their team (not always blood bowl experience though).

Knight 0-2 120k
7339 Stand Firm, Juggernaut, Leader GS

Now slap me silly...

[Schmee]

I think loner on the linema is too hard...

Perhaps another option for lineman/peasants could be to remove all skill access (instead of giving them loner), so they only have access to G, S, P and A on doubles. This would discourage coaches from scoring with peasants (this is the knight's job) as they are unlikely to benefit from advancement rolls.

I'd also like to see an Enchantress positional (0-2 6337 Hypnotic Gaze GA access perhaps 80-90k) for the team.

[fen]

plasmoid, in case you're wondering. This *points upwards* is exactly why so many people are tired of Bretonnian topics. Because everyone and their grandmother has a separate opinion on what the team should be composed of/called. So you end up with a boat milling around in the middle of the lake, because everyone has gone and stuck their oar in a different direction. So it's not suprising people have decided enough is enough and swum for shore.

Also, not one of them is willing to put Griffons in the team. It's not a Bretonnian team without Griffons.

Now I tell you what would be interesting, a BB variant for Bretonnians based on Polo. In fact, I think that's what Bretonnians play instead of Blood Bowl, as Blood Bowl is the sport of commoners.

[Schmee]

This *points upwards* is exactly why so many people are tired of Bretonnian topics.

This*points upwards* is exactly why I felt compelled to enter the Bretonnian discussion on TBB - the dismissive attitude to people who simply want to talk about the team. If you are tired of Bretonnian topics (which is fair enough), don't read/post in those threads.

[fen]

A swing and a miss Spencer. You've missed my point.

[Schmee]

A swing and a miss Spencer. You've missed my point.

I apologise! What was your point?