pick up the ball and pass

habasta · Post by **habasta** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:15 am

My question: if i want to pass the ball and before i pick up the ball. Must i declare to my opponent what i want to do before i pick up the ball?

fen · Post by **fen** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:42 am

You have to declare a Pass Action with the player if you wish to pick up and pass the ball. But once you've done this and picked up the ball you can always change your mind and not pass. This still uses your team's Pass Action.

Similar with a pick up and Hand Off.

rodders · Post by **rodders** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:42 am

Buggrit · Post by **Buggrit** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:28 pm

Cheers, this is a question that I had come up this weekend too.

Tritex · Post by **Tritex** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:52 pm

Its the done thing but if its a friendly game (as much as these things are) and you forget, your opponent may let you off as long as you haven't passed thus far.

fen · Post by **fen** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:56 pm

I pretty much declare a Pass or Hand Off action every time I move the player with the ball (or the player about to pick up the ball.)

That way I never have to worry about not having the chance to toss the ball if I want too. And if I happen to spot a decent window to pass/hand the ball to another player, I have the chance.

DamianTheLost · Post by **DamianTheLost** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:52 pm

Does this mean that u can decide not to block after having moved a player and declared ablitz????

fen · Post by **fen** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:25 pm

DamianTheLost wrote:Does this mean that u can decide not to block after having moved a player and declared ablitz????

Certainly. Wild Animal anyone?

zephard · Post by **zephard** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:27 pm

A blitz is a move with possible block during the movement, you don't have to block.

But if you don't block, you can not call another blitz that turn.

Pass and Hand off are the same way.

With Vamps and Ogres, does one have to declare block? As in is "move" the standard undeclared action before the neg roll?

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:50 pm

zephard wrote:With Vamps and Ogres, does one have to declare block? As in is "move" the standard undeclared action before the neg roll?

Yes (and other Big Guys as well).

serge · Post by **serge** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:52 am

fen wrote:I pretty much declare a Pass or Hand Off action every time I move the player with the ball (or the player about to pick up the ball.)

That way I never have to worry about not having the chance to toss the ball if I want too. And if I happen to spot a decent window to pass/hand the ball to another player, I have the chance.

But don't you still have to declare who will receive the pass? If so, then there is almost no advatange in declaring a pass EVERY time someone moves with the ball. It often is a question of a different receiver, than to pass or not to pass.

Correct me if I am wrong, I only have 20 games behind my belt.

Serge

Mootaz · Post by **Mootaz** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:41 am

serge wrote:But don't you still have to declare who will receive the pass?

You only declare the target of the pass when you actually throw the ball. You can even measure to any and as many receivers as you like, any time during your Pass action.

fen · Post by **fen** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:43 am

serge wrote:But don't you still have to declare who will receive the pass?

No, have a read through the passing rules again (LRB5 p.12) and you'll see that nowhere does it say you must declare the target at the start of the action. You choose the target after you've finished moving.

It is perfectly acceptable to pre-measure the range to several players at any point during the throwing player's move before you declare the target of the pass.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:44 pm

You declare the pass or handoff when you move the ball carrier just in case you change your mind and decide you need to do something with the ball to make it safer. If you just move, you're stuck where you are. It only opens up options is all. That's why they said that.