Foul Appearance

franck_le_grand · Post by **franck_le_grand** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:03 am

Block also works

But you don't get blocked when prone

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 1:57 pm

Hmm...this came up in an MBBL2 game last season. The verdict was that it doesn't come into play while prone, same as Prehensile tail or Tentacles.
Most of the things that work while prone are racial characteristics, Bone head, WA, Really Stupid, Stunty, Thick Skull.
Mutations that increase stats aren't 'turned off', namely Spikes. VLL is irrelevent here.
And Leader as noted.
Jump up? That works when/as you get up. Pro? What dice can you reroll whilst prone?

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 5:09 pm

I know better than to talk in absolutes. Never, Always, All, None... I opened myself up to that.

No Munkey, I wouldn't say that proves anything. Some skills only work if you go prone or are prone (Jump Up, Thick Skull). Others are always on, i.e. block, dodge... I don't consider them to contradict anything either since there's no way to use them when you're prone.

Spikes, Regenerate. These also work all the time. They could come into play if prone and a certain circumastance activates them. Stunty?!? What's that got to do with prone? Yes, you're still Stunty. Whoopee!

Pro? Like BLock and Dodge, when are you going to use it? Treeman standing up I guess. Go ahead.

Leader- I had to think about this. I've always played that it works prone too. He just has to be on the field. I thought this might have been the real exception. It's not.

I think it really comes down to this. Does any prone player ever place a modifier on an opponent's die roll? Now I can't think of any right off the top of my head. Can anyone else? If the answer is no, then this would be an exception. Don't have a prone player with foul appearance still exert the negative modifier because he's GROSS. Standing he's a threat, down he's a curiosity.

Was that any better?

Munkey · Post by **Munkey** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 12:45 am

Sorry, I know it doesn't proove anything, thats just a stupid saying that i've never really understood. My poor attempt at humour i'm afraid

For the record I realise it's a matter of common sense that some skills may apply when you are on the ground and some not.

As I understand it traits/racial characteristics and physical traits are always on and so must be used where applicable, skills may be used where appropriate at the players choice.

This means, for instance, that a player with Block can choose not to use it if he wishes although I cannot think why you would not want to use it. I agree this is not relevant when a player is prone as he cannot block or be blocked.

Uh Oh, I seem to have argued myself into a corner

I was going to say that I do not think a prone player with foul appearance should affect the play but the way the rulebook reads it appears he does.

I think I'll leave this thread now before I start making even less sense.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 3:07 am

You're okay you simian comedian. It wasn't my intention to single anyone out. I wanted to address all the examples given.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 3:00 pm

snotsngrots wrote: Stunty?!? What's that got to do with prone? Yes, you're still Stunty. Whoopee!

Snots, you're forgetting the +1 to injury rolls that applies to stunty players.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:12 pm

Deathwing wrote: Jump up? That works when/as you get up. Pro? What dice can you reroll whilst prone?

Jump Up can only be used while prone.

You can use Pro to reroll a Bonehead/Really Stupid roll, or to help yourself stand up if your MA < 3.

I guess theoretically all skills "work" while prone, you just don't get to use them due to lack of a TZ and you are not currently performing an action.

manusate · Post by **manusate** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 11:03 pm

I guess theoretically all skills "work" while prone, you just don't get to use them due to lack of a TZ and you are not currently performing an action.

Couldn´t agree more

Kri · Post by **Kri** » Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:21 pm

But if FA worked while prone. Shouldn´t you have to roll 2+ to foul him, same as you have to roll 2+ to block him???

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Nov 28, 2002 12:44 am

fouls aren't blocks so it doesn't matter

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Thu Nov 28, 2002 8:12 am

Grumbledook wrote:

fouls aren't blocks so it doesn't matter

but maybe it should matter here.

If this FA guy is such an ugly slimeball that players don't want to block him, this should apply to fouls as well.

Think of fouling the slimeball by booting him into his jelly belly, and then you realize that you can't get yout boot out again. even worse he might just start to digest your foot for revenge.

You WOULD think twice fouling such a guy!

And especially as an elf, who is going to clean your nice shoes afterwards?? Your house goblin

Sputnik

Munkey · Post by **Munkey** » Thu Nov 28, 2002 8:34 am

On the other hand you might want to squash something that ugly underfoot.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Nov 28, 2002 8:47 am

It would encourage you to foul, get him away off the pitch then ;]

Kri · Post by **Kri** » Wed Dec 18, 2002 8:45 pm

Aaaaarrrrgggghhh. According to the new Q&A Foul Apperance works while prone.
I think my High Elfs will play a running game the next time I faces Chaos or Skaven...

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:15 pm

Think of what this means for the new Rotters team.