Fend against Frenzy

fire olli · Post by **fire olli** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:39 pm

I know this has been done before but could some one just give a quick answer.

Do you get to follow up if you have frenzy and the other guy has fend???

Cheers Olli

Mad Jackal · Post by **Mad Jackal** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:55 pm

Not if he elects to use his Fend.

AK_Dave · Post by **AK_Dave** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:01 am

You don't get to follow up against Fend (if it is used) but if it combined with Side Step then it is possible to wind up adjacent to the Fendee despite not being able to follow up. In which case Frenzy is still active because a "push" result was applied. Only Stand Firm absolutely cancels Frenzy. Fend cancels it under certain circumstances. Note that if you have both skills you don't need to use both of them.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:26 am

stand firm doesn't cancel frenzy if a push is chosen

it is what is on the dice roll that matters, see the stripball/standfirm thread

both down if you both have block would as well as fend

alternat · Post by **alternat** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:29 pm

AK_Dave wrote:You don't get to follow up against Fend (if it is used) but if it combined with Side Step then it is possible to wind up adjacent to the Fendee despite not being able to follow up.

I cannot think of anything dumber... but if I can save myself to be pushed OOB!!!

Aliboon · Post by **Aliboon** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:11 pm

I cannot think of anything dumber... but if I can save myself to be pushed OOB!!!

Or you could force your opo into a 2d (or even conceviably a 3d) against.

And Stand Firm does not cancel frenzy-the 2nd block for frenzy depends on a push (or a POW! if the blocked player has dodge) being rolled on the block dice (nothing to do with the blocked player actually being pushed) and the frenzyer then being adjacent to the blocked player (which fend will generally stop), so the only thing on the block dice which stops it is a skull or a both down (unless the frenzied player has juggernaught and is blitzing).

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:21 pm

Fend doesn't prevent a second block from a frenzied player in at least a couple of situations:

- The player with Frenzy is blitzing and also has Juggernaut.

- The player with Fend is pushed back into a player with Stand Firm (who elects to use it).

Hope this helps

s031720 · Post by **s031720** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:35 pm

Are you guys saying that if you get a push on a stand firm player when you have frenzy, you get to do another block?

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:57 pm

yes you do

it has been like that since 3rd edition came out circa 1994

was very clear in the rules back then, tho the line stating that doesn't seem to be in the rulebook anymore

s031720 · Post by **s031720** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:41 am

And not a single of my PBEM opponents have corrected me when Ive played this one wrong...

Well, then I know. From now on my frenzies will be even more powa!