BBRC Hot List - 2003

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:38 am

ianwilliams wrote:Then there is a problem - can you "multiple block" a single player? i.e. effectively switching frenzy off?

This is not a problem at all, as it clearly says that you have to use it on two players. Not one, not three.

Really, the way it reads right now is pretty clear. What you guys want is not a clarification, it's a change to the definition!

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Fri Apr 04, 2003 3:45 pm

The rules on Fouling do not state where defensive assists must stand.

Chet has also posting saying that MB can be used on both players knocked over by a Multiple Block. This needs clarification.

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 4:57 pm

What about asking for clarification what happens if a coach forgets to roll for Bonehead/Really Stupid? IP? Big Guy loses his action? Repeat the action?

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:46 pm

has anyone asked for a clear up on how hypnotic gaze works as well

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:56 pm

I still don't see adding an Index in that hotlist... we need an index!!

-Balrog

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:15 pm

Yes give us an index.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:54 pm

Skummy wrote:Galak: Dave recently brought up a good one on the NAF site. When rolling for Fan Factor, do you count all casulties in the game, or only those that earned SPP's? I remember it was a point of contnetion in our league when the LRB came out, and it could use some clarification.

http://www.thenaf.net/modules.php?op=mo ... opic&t=287

Yeah, I just got into this one with Chet 2 days ago and agreed it needed to go on the Hot List.

My understanding was that any casualty caused by your team (thus including secret weapons and fouls) counted for the TEAM casualty count which effects FF just not for personal SPPs.

Chet disagreed saying no SPPs no team cas. I've re-read the rule book and I'm not seeing anything that suggests that it has to be only for SPPs or at least I can make a really good case that I rolled for a casualty it just didn't count for SPPs so it should count for the team cas count.

Yeah this one is going on the list.

Galak

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:00 pm

Darkson wrote:Clarification on wheter a player with Frenzy can use Multiblock, and if so, must they follow up?

viewtopic.php?t=5395&highlight=

This was already ruled upon.

A Multiple Block is not a straight forward normal block and as such Frenzy does not apply if MBlock is used.

Galak

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:03 pm

narkotic wrote:Two Q&A regarding the TTM issue:

1) Does a fumble result produces a turnover when attempting to throw a team-mate who is not holding the ball?

2) Can you use the apo on players eaten by "always hungry" throwers?

I can answer these without the Hot List.

1) Yes, players falling down is a turnover unless there is an exception. A failed landing roll has an exception in the rules ... since the fumble has no landing rule, no exception is allowed and the normal turnover rules make it a turnover.

2) Yes, the apotecary can be used on all on-pitch injuries. Nothing about the Always Hungry skill says that the death does not allow the use of the apothecary.

Galak

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:06 pm

ianwilliams wrote:Then there is a problem - can you "multiple block" a single player? i.e. effectively switching frenzy off?

No, its not a Multiple Block then is it. Seriously, no commish that I know of would believe this could be done.

Galak

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:11 pm

Skummy wrote:Another desired question: Clearly define the actions that can be taken by a boneheaded player, and the order in which they take place. Currently, a boneheaded player cannot take any actions for "a turn" Does this mean that they can catch the ball if thrown to them, or make an interception attempt on the next team's turn, even if they still have no tackle zone? Can a player who is boneheaded use Pass Block?

I might bake this into another item on the Hot List. That players without TZ are bricks. Cannot assist in either direction, cannot catch, cannot intercept, cannot use any skills (like Tentacles, Pass Block, or Shadowing). The game would be a lot easier, if lose of Tackle Zones just meant ignore this player.

So what I'll do is say if you don't go this route .... we need better clarifications on what they can do.

This became an issue in the current MBBL Season 2 League Championship game. Thrud had been freebooted and had a chance to score but had failed his last Bonehead so was sans TZ. Question was: Can Thrud catch a pass? Ruling: under the current rules, yes he can catch the pass after which you roll for Bonehead after declaring his move action to see if he has the sense to run it in for the TD.

However, I'd much have preferred Thrud to have been a brick and not a valid passing target. I've already modified the PBeM rules so that lost TZ players cannot catch or intercept is an option.

Galak

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:15 pm

Grumbledook wrote:has anyone asked for a clear up on how hypnotic gaze works as well

I need more help here ... I don't understand the confusion.

HGaze can be used at any point during the player's action ... seems pretty clear to me.

So you can Declare move action, HGaze, then move or
Delcare move action, Move, HGaze, move move
Declare Blitz, move, blitz hit, didn't knock him down, HGaze him, and keep moving.

The rules seem pretty clear to me that this is how it works .... where is the confusion???

Galak

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:18 pm

ianwilliams wrote:The rules on Fouling do not state where defensive assists must stand.

HUH?

Chet has also posting saying that MB can be used on both players knocked over by a Multiple Block. This needs clarification.

Agreed ... along with if you use Multiple Block on 2 players with Mighty Blow and skull out can they add +1 to the AV and +1 Injury.

Chet's answer to MBlock 2 years ago ... was ... can we just delete the skill??? I'm not sure I blame him for the rules questions it causes.

But yeah MBlock clarifications are definitely going on the Hot List for this year.

Galak

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:21 pm

A Guy that has just been EATEN, i mean SWALLOWED, should be beyond any cure !

So, no Apothecary for Players that just became Troll-Lunch.
The only thing i can imagine is

those Guys, so the Apothecary in fact must be used on the Troll, which puts the Apothecary at risk to end up as dessert.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:23 pm

Okay reading through 6 pages that I've missed here is the stuff that I got that needs added to the Hot List:

1) D3 Riot/Pitch Invasion
2) Complete List of Actions
3) Split Forced Catches/Forced Pick-ups into two topics
4) In the LRB state that Strong Arm does not allow Short Pass Dump Offs and Long passes in Blitzzards
5) What counts as Casualties for the FF roll
6) Lose the Advanced rules section and reorganize the book to have the topic better together.
7) Rerolling tentacles/shadowing (not sure what Zombie meant, but I'll read the skill and see if I better understand what he wants)
8) Players without TZs are bricks ... no assists, no intercepts, no catches, no skill use. If not, better clarification on what they can and cannot do.
9) Key word index at the end of the LRB.
10) Multiple Block .... use of MBlow/Claw/RSC/Pilng On ... if he skulls out .. who gets the cas, and how can the opponent's use their skills.

I think thats the summary ... I'll get to work on it.

Galak